Mess in AMS today - April 2022 onwards
#1246
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: DL Plat, DL AMEX Plat
Posts: 333
Can’t directly speak for Schiphol but as a DL Silver in the past I used priority check in for KLM in Brussels. Also a Flying Blue Silver benefit is priority check in, so why would that benefit not be extended to Sky Team Elite passengers?
#1247
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: DL Plat, DL AMEX Plat
Posts: 333
But NOT priority security lines.
#1248
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: AMS+IAH
Programs: Lufthansa: Senator || IHG: Diamond Royal Ambassador Inner Circle || Plutonium Status
Posts: 3,505
Breaking: RJ moving some flights to MAA
Royal Jordanian is moving the following flights to Maastricht Aachen Airport / MAA = MST:
13, 20 and 27 July
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...aar-maastricht
and as others reported about AY (Finair)
double daily down to once a day (operated by A330/A350)
AY1305/1306 cancelled between 7th July and 28th August
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...-naar-schiphol
13, 20 and 27 July
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...aar-maastricht
and as others reported about AY (Finair)
double daily down to once a day (operated by A330/A350)
AY1305/1306 cancelled between 7th July and 28th August
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...-naar-schiphol
Last edited by HadesNL; Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 am
#1249
Join Date: May 2009
Location: AMS
Posts: 2,063
This btw ignores that you generally don't have to argue with them; I rarely speak to them at all and if I do it's to answer affirmatively to the question 'SkyPriority or Business class?' after which they leave me alone and let me go about my business.
#1250
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PSC
Programs: Hilton Diamond/IHG Platinum/DL Plutononium
Posts: 1,728
Interesting. The LH check in agent told you to use the SkyPriority priority lane, going through the 'back entrance'? This one:
Some people have been doing that previously but this was considered 'against the rules'. Was there any agent at the gate to check your LH boarding pass, and did they let you through without having to argue with them? Or you just went through the gates with the "do not enter" sign without talking to anyone? (I'd have done the same, by the way..)
One thing to note is that Skypriority check in only opens at 04:30AM. And at that time, departures 2 security (which is where the escalator ends up) is still closed. unclear to me when security does open there. There may, or may not, be a way to move upstairs from Departures 2 to Departures 1. Last week I had to ask staff to open some of the barriers upstairs as Departures 2 was still closed, and the priority lane through to Departures 1 was roped off.
If this is, in fact, now the official new Priority lane for all elites/business pax (So not only KLM Skypriority like it has been so far) then that would be a very good development for everyone not flying Skyteam. Slightly less great news for SkyPriority and Privium pax as more people will be using this priority lane.
Schiphol says this... not too clear. but they do confirm that there should be a priority entrance for non Skyteam pax... theoretically.
The closer to summer, the more people will be on those awful 5-6-7 AM Transavia flights out of Departures 1. For some reason the majority of Transavia aircraft depart at that hour, and these are mainly holiday destinations. I'm pretty sure this is the majority of the Departures 1 queue at the early morning.
Some people have been doing that previously but this was considered 'against the rules'. Was there any agent at the gate to check your LH boarding pass, and did they let you through without having to argue with them? Or you just went through the gates with the "do not enter" sign without talking to anyone? (I'd have done the same, by the way..)
One thing to note is that Skypriority check in only opens at 04:30AM. And at that time, departures 2 security (which is where the escalator ends up) is still closed. unclear to me when security does open there. There may, or may not, be a way to move upstairs from Departures 2 to Departures 1. Last week I had to ask staff to open some of the barriers upstairs as Departures 2 was still closed, and the priority lane through to Departures 1 was roped off.
If this is, in fact, now the official new Priority lane for all elites/business pax (So not only KLM Skypriority like it has been so far) then that would be a very good development for everyone not flying Skyteam. Slightly less great news for SkyPriority and Privium pax as more people will be using this priority lane.
Schiphol says this... not too clear. but they do confirm that there should be a priority entrance for non Skyteam pax... theoretically.
The closer to summer, the more people will be on those awful 5-6-7 AM Transavia flights out of Departures 1. For some reason the majority of Transavia aircraft depart at that hour, and these are mainly holiday destinations. I'm pretty sure this is the majority of the Departures 1 queue at the early morning.
#1251
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 9,122
On Thursday I arrived 4:55 for a 6:20 HV flight. KL priority gate opened at 5AM. Privium was open. There was a lady checking boarding passes and sending people to the back of the line. I believe those that were not on a ST flight but not 100% clear. I waved some cards around (I have Privium but my wife not yet) and was waved through - clearly she was new as she was taking very long for each person. We were thru in about 20 min and regular lines also seemed quite OK. KL lounge was open though the website indicates it is supposed to be closed? Privium express lounge opened at 5:30 on the dot.
Week before my kid flying to JFK was thru with Privium in 5 minutes.
Week before my kid flying to JFK was thru with Privium in 5 minutes.
Last edited by erik123; Jun 24, 2022 at 10:41 am
#1252
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,053
Sitrep from today.
My flight is delayed by about two hours, but every alternative is hopelessly over (the nice check-in staff checked). I guess I'll be overnighting in Vienna and then it's a question of taking the train or next flight tomorrow (at least there is one now, in winter there was none).
I've checked departures 1 control. There's an optimistic sign that mentions "for connections shorter than 60 minutes" but in reality it's closed. Everyone has to go through the stairs, there's now signs going all the way back to the first door by check-in 1, reusing some of the tents that would have been used for entry to terminal.
I'm currently in Privium lounge outside security, it's about a third full, and there is a constant flow of people registering with the Marechaussee. The screen said the waiting time was 30-35 minutes for Dep1 and 0-2 minutes for 3 and 4 when I arrived an hour and a half ago, then it went to 10-12 each and later 0-2 each.
Unfortunately I can't in the end comment on airside as my flight was cancelled.
My flight is delayed by about two hours, but every alternative is hopelessly over (the nice check-in staff checked). I guess I'll be overnighting in Vienna and then it's a question of taking the train or next flight tomorrow (at least there is one now, in winter there was none).
I've checked departures 1 control. There's an optimistic sign that mentions "for connections shorter than 60 minutes" but in reality it's closed. Everyone has to go through the stairs, there's now signs going all the way back to the first door by check-in 1, reusing some of the tents that would have been used for entry to terminal.
I'm currently in Privium lounge outside security, it's about a third full, and there is a constant flow of people registering with the Marechaussee. The screen said the waiting time was 30-35 minutes for Dep1 and 0-2 minutes for 3 and 4 when I arrived an hour and a half ago, then it went to 10-12 each and later 0-2 each.
Unfortunately I can't in the end comment on airside as my flight was cancelled.
#1253
Join Date: Jul 2006
Programs: DL DM/MM
Posts: 2,274
Sitrep from today.
My flight is delayed by about two hours, but every alternative is hopelessly over (the nice check-in staff checked). I guess I'll be overnighting in Vienna and then it's a question of taking the train or next flight tomorrow (at least there is one now, in winter there was none).
I've checked departures 1 control. There's an optimistic sign that mentions "for connections shorter than 60 minutes" but in reality it's closed. Everyone has to go through the stairs, there's now signs going all the way back to the first door by check-in 1, reusing some of the tents that would have been used for entry to terminal.
I'm currently in Privium lounge outside security, it's about a third full, and there is a constant flow of people registering with the Marechaussee. The screen said the waiting time was 30-35 minutes for Dep1 and 0-2 minutes for 3 and 4 when I arrived an hour and a half ago, then it went to 10-12 each and later 0-2 each.
Unfortunately I can't in the end comment on airside as my flight was cancelled.
My flight is delayed by about two hours, but every alternative is hopelessly over (the nice check-in staff checked). I guess I'll be overnighting in Vienna and then it's a question of taking the train or next flight tomorrow (at least there is one now, in winter there was none).
I've checked departures 1 control. There's an optimistic sign that mentions "for connections shorter than 60 minutes" but in reality it's closed. Everyone has to go through the stairs, there's now signs going all the way back to the first door by check-in 1, reusing some of the tents that would have been used for entry to terminal.
I'm currently in Privium lounge outside security, it's about a third full, and there is a constant flow of people registering with the Marechaussee. The screen said the waiting time was 30-35 minutes for Dep1 and 0-2 minutes for 3 and 4 when I arrived an hour and a half ago, then it went to 10-12 each and later 0-2 each.
Unfortunately I can't in the end comment on airside as my flight was cancelled.
#1254
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 39000ft
Posts: 956
The Schengen-to-Non-Schengen this evening around 8pm was relatively quiet. 6 e-gates open and some booths. Wait up to 5-10 min.
Now in the also relatively quiet Lounge 52, saw my first mouse. What do I get? Maybe a G&T in a proper glass?
Now in the also relatively quiet Lounge 52, saw my first mouse. What do I get? Maybe a G&T in a proper glass?
#1255
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,053
Meanwhile I snagged a seat on a KLM flight to Budapest, itself heavily delayed.
I was shocked to find no Tabasco in the Schengen lounge tonight.
jerry_greece I have about an hour till my departure. If you fancy a quick drink in the lounge, shoot me a quick message.
Last edited by Fabo.sk; Jun 24, 2022 at 12:59 pm
#1256
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,053
Oh right, the security experience... I passed shortly after 8. Everybody was directed from Dep2 checkpoint, which was being closed and cleaned, to Dep 1 side. Both priority and not
I was the only person in priority section, this time no secondary either.
I was the only person in priority section, this time no secondary either.
#1257
Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: FB, M&B, UA, AA
Posts: 2,489
My goodness, this is nuts. Departures 2 is towards non-Schengen not? So the pour souls had to clear security S-S via D1 and then go through the airside S-nS passport control?
Last edited by atflyer; Jun 24, 2022 at 2:05 pm
#1258
Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: FB, M&B, UA, AA
Posts: 2,489
So what's the best gameplan for someone flying KLM TATL J in two weeks, originating at AMS and departing at 9:45am. Go through Security/Bag check at Departures 2? Departures 3? We're planning on arriving at 5am, since we absolutely can't miss our flight, but this 4 hour rule worries me.
#1259
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,053
As previously mentioned, Dep1 normal entry is closed, although Privium gates might? be accessible. So all NS pax are funneled through the stairs, except for those with priority who ignore the stairs and go by back of SP zone.
#1260
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PSC
Programs: Hilton Diamond/IHG Platinum/DL Plutononium
Posts: 1,728
Which day? You could compare with the calendar of busy/less busy days in this thread (usually Tuesdays are less of an issue). But in general I have the impression that the mornings are causing most trouble (that is why I moved an early afternoon flight Sunday to Oslo to Saturday late evening - KLM allowed this free of charge, my host is fine with offering me another day hotel pay. And that is why you saw this pic of people queueing from 3.30-5.30 am - Transavia indeed has these early holiday flights since then they can squeeze in another leg of the plane in the same day). Worried people that normally would show up 1.5 hours in advance, now show up 4 hours in advance -> 2-3 times the crowd early mornings. I would just see how Dep 2 and Dep 3 look like and then chose the best one (many posts earlier I shared my experience upon coming back from London that using immigration at the stairs going down from D gates was looking bad, and immigration at E-gates got me through in 25 minutes). In short, I think the best game plan is indeed arriving a bit over 4 hours before the flight (hope you travel hand luggage, otherwise you are too early for the luggage drop), and then check if D2/D3 would be quickest. If I have to believe Schiphol communication there have been people missing flights on the few worst days, but with 4 hours you may be reasonably safe. And who knows on your day it is one of the days that 30-40 min are all that is needed. Good luck.
We will be checking bags, what time is the cutoff for this? We really can't move the flight to the night before, since all of the US bound flights are in the morning. Already planning on staying at the Sheraton so we're close to the airport in the morning.