Mess in AMS today - up to March 2022
Sep 6, 2019, 12:50 pm
#586
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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FNV KLM ground employees will strike this sunday between 13h00-17h00.
Pretty sure my flight will be delayed, unsure if it's also going to be cancelled.
edit:
source; https://www.fnv.nl/nieuwsbericht/sec...dpersoneel-klm
Pretty sure my flight will be delayed, unsure if it's also going to be cancelled.
edit:
source; https://www.fnv.nl/nieuwsbericht/sec...dpersoneel-klm
Sep 6, 2019, 2:33 pm
#587
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Pagus Bracbatensis, Kingdom of the Netherlands
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During the last strike (Wednesday 4 September) that was from 8h00-10h00 and lasted 'only' 2 hours a lot of flights where still delayed the rest of the day. 'my flight' was still 2h04min late and that was more then 12 hours after that strike ended.
It's friday now and i spoke to some people earlier today who still have no clue where their luggage is.
This one will last 4 hours
Sep 6, 2019, 3:39 pm
#588
Join Date: Apr 2011
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In my experience Wed had more delays (in both quantity and duration) than Mon (despite also refusing to accept checked bags), so KLM isn’t utilizing past experience to improve their handling of strikes. I doubt I’ll be flying KLM again. The European member airlines of SkyTeam are extremely too prone to strikes and they’ve had their last chance with me.
Sep 6, 2019, 8:58 pm
#589
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Yup, this does irreparable damage to an airline's brand. The impact is so severe. Awful.
Sep 6, 2019, 11:18 pm
#590
Join Date: May 2017
Location: MAN
Programs: FB Platinum
Posts: 313
Currently in the airport Hilton as a consequence of missing my connection last night. The pilot claimed the inward (KLM) flight was delayed because of problems in the morning that had messed up the flight schedules for the rest of the day. And Friday was just a normal, no-strike day...
Sep 7, 2019, 12:43 am
#591
Join Date: May 2017
Location: LYS
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Posts: 438
I also spent a night in Amsterdam, due to a delayed AMS->BER flight that snowballed into me missing a 1h15 connection. Reason being, they had to remove the luggage of a pax that missed the flight.
Now clearing passport check. They have only 4 automated passport machines activated out of 10, and the wait is of around 20-30 minutes. They definitively know how to sell that Privium service to cut the lines.
Now clearing passport check. They have only 4 automated passport machines activated out of 10, and the wait is of around 20-30 minutes. They definitively know how to sell that Privium service to cut the lines.
Sep 7, 2019, 1:43 am
#592
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By scheduling the next strike in the afternoon, they will ensure that cabin and cockpit crews who have already done a shorthaul return flight earlier in the day won't have sufficient duty hours left to complete a delayed flight in the afternoon. KL will either have to cancel these flights, or somehow find new crews to operate them.
Johan
Sep 7, 2019, 4:01 am
#593
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This morning some 47 KL departures from AMS were delayed. I figure that's about one flight in three.
Not sure what's wrong today. Perhaps nothing, mayby it is simply par for the AMS course these days.
Johan
Not sure what's wrong today. Perhaps nothing, mayby it is simply par for the AMS course these days.
Johan
Sep 9, 2019, 10:13 am
#597
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https://news.klm.com/
I was surprised to notice today that the English version of the news page doesn't have any of these recent updates posted.
If you want the updates, you have to watch https://nieuws.klm.com/
I was surprised to notice today that the English version of the news page doesn't have any of these recent updates posted.
If you want the updates, you have to watch https://nieuws.klm.com/
Sep 11, 2019, 12:38 am
#598
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Hull, UK
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While not a Skyteam member, British Airways is significantly more prone to very disruptive strikes. Count your blessings with this one.
Sep 11, 2019, 8:18 am
#599
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Location: HAG
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And while the likes of LH haven't had a flight-disrupting strike recently, there's been strikes impacting the experience; including security at LH hubs and catering.
Sep 11, 2019, 3:26 pm
#600
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It was a right mess this afternoon, nary a flight departed on schedule.
The flight I was on boarded on time, despite a last minute aircraft change. The 73W originally scheduled had apparently gone tech. On the flight it had been due to operate this morning it had been replaced by an E190 ( 142 to 88 seats. Ouch!), now we got a 738 instead. That meant KL was now also out of spare aircraft.
Exactly at STD the captain appeared in the aisle and gave us all the good news: an ATC delay of 60 minute due to "low cloud"! They had knows this for some time, but instead of announcing the delay at the gate they had decided to board on schedule and close th doors, so we would be ready to push back immediately in case ATC had a sudden change of mind.
Now I'm willing to accept thunderstorms, heavy snowfall, freezing rain, pea soup fog and nuclear blasts as legit reasons for delays, at least up to a point. But low cloud???
I had a conversation with the captain about it, and he was as baffled as he was vexed. It was raining lightly, the cloudbase was low, but that was all there was to it. He said that as long as he could find the runway he could take off, but ATC called all the shots.
In the event we took off about 40 minutes late, which compared favorably to most other flights this afternoon.
If this is the new normal at AMS, winter is going to be a lot of fun!
Johan
The flight I was on boarded on time, despite a last minute aircraft change. The 73W originally scheduled had apparently gone tech. On the flight it had been due to operate this morning it had been replaced by an E190 ( 142 to 88 seats. Ouch!), now we got a 738 instead. That meant KL was now also out of spare aircraft.
Exactly at STD the captain appeared in the aisle and gave us all the good news: an ATC delay of 60 minute due to "low cloud"! They had knows this for some time, but instead of announcing the delay at the gate they had decided to board on schedule and close th doors, so we would be ready to push back immediately in case ATC had a sudden change of mind.
Now I'm willing to accept thunderstorms, heavy snowfall, freezing rain, pea soup fog and nuclear blasts as legit reasons for delays, at least up to a point. But low cloud???
I had a conversation with the captain about it, and he was as baffled as he was vexed. It was raining lightly, the cloudbase was low, but that was all there was to it. He said that as long as he could find the runway he could take off, but ATC called all the shots.
In the event we took off about 40 minutes late, which compared favorably to most other flights this afternoon.
If this is the new normal at AMS, winter is going to be a lot of fun!
Johan