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OAG/KVS is usually a great source for MCT but something is amiss here. Usually to/from places like LHR, SIN, ORD, legal connection times via DEL are between 90-120 minutes. Even from SYD, ITA shows legal connect time below 120 mins.

What is the discrepancy? :confused:
The connection time in your screenshot is fully consistent with the MCT table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Bean (Post 21073958)

That's not right either, though. Plenty for non-AI connections can be done under 3 hours.

The Standard MCT only applies if there are no carrier-specific exceptions.
The system was queried for AI-AI connections specifically.

HMPS	Jul 10, 2013 1:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL (Post 21072898)

Online is an AI-AI connection. Standard is any connection regardless of airline.

Thanks. So a second suitcase is to be weighed for totl kg X 250 or is it just a fixed price per bag ?

http://www.airindia.com/SBCMS/Webpag...ge.aspx?MID=27

15 kgs allowance, 250 Rs per kg excess. Same policy as 9W...

Showinf international flights isn't going to help with any Indian carrier nowadays - it needs to be on a single ticket.

oliver2002

Jul 10, 2013 2:18 pm

my tests:

Code:

>tn10octsydbom/aai

TN10OCTSYDBOM/AAI                                                               

** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** BOM MUMBAI.IN                     10OCT13 17OCT13  

 1   AI 311  146  SYD 1 DEL 3  1100    1810   0 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 805  146  DEL 3 BOM1A  2000    2210   0 07OCT13 26OCT13 321 16:40       

 2   AI 311  146  SYD 1 DEL 3  1100    1810   0 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 602  146  DEL 3 BOM1A  2100    2305   0 07OCT13 26OCT13 321 17:35       

 3   AI 311  2357 SYD 1 DEL 3  0900    1835   1 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 805  2357 DEL 3 BOM1A  2000    2210   0 06OCT13 27OCT13 321 18:40       

 4   AI 311  1    SYD 1 DEL 3  1100    1810   0 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 317  1    DEL 3 BOM 2  2250    0055+1 0 07OCT13 21OCT13 321 19:25       

 5   AI 311  46   SYD 1 DEL 3  1100    1810   0 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 315  46   DEL 3 BOM 2  2250    0055+1 0 10OCT13 17OCT13 321 19:25       

 6   AI 311  2357 SYD 1 DEL 3  0900    1835   1 CONNECT DEL     788             

     AI 602  2357 DEL 3 BOM1A  2100    2305   0 06OCT13 27OCT13 321 19:35

Code:

  1  AI 311 D 10OCT 4 SYDDEL HK1       1  1100 1810   788 E 0 M                 

     SEE RTSVC                                                                  

  2  AI 805 D 10OCT 4 DELBOM HK1  1915 3  2000 2210   321 E 0 D                 

     SEE RTSVC                                                                  

>dm1/2

DM1/2                                                                           

DEL-DEL      FROM      -             TO                                         

CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM     HMM                         

AI 0010-0399           -AI 0400-0899            I/D:115                         

ACTUAL CONNECTING TIME IS 150                                                   

>

Mr. Bean

Jul 10, 2013 4:02 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 21074030)

What is the discrepancy? :confused:
The connection time in your screenshot is fully consistent with the MCT table.

The Standard MCT only applies if there are no carrier-specific exceptions.
The system was queried for AI-AI connections specifically.

How does this work if ID for -ALL- BKK = 240?

http://i.imgur.com/oWwqF4R.png

Is it overruled by AI 0010-0399 => AI 0400-0899 = 075 ? Still seems strange if -ALL- inbound from BKK are supposed to be 240...

PVDtoDEL

Jul 10, 2013 4:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Bean (Post 21073958)

That's not right either, though. Plenty for non-AI connections can be done under 3 hours.

Those are different exceptions. Standard MCT only applies if there is no exception.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Bean (Post 21075156)

That works because MCT for AI-AI online domestic connections is 75 mts. 240 would only apply if the onward leg was operated by another airline and there was no exception filed.

The more specific MCT determination criteria is the one which applies. Examples: ALL specifies departure airport, so it is more specific than standard MCT. AI-AI online specifies carrier, so it is more specific than the standard MCT and ALL. AI 0100-0399 to AI 0100-0399 specifies flight number, so it is more specific than AI-AI online.

Mr. Bean

Jul 10, 2013 5:06 pm

Hm, OK. Thanks KVS and PVDtoDEL

GuyFromBOM

Jul 11, 2013 3:28 am

As per Skyliner & PlaneSpotters, entire sub-fleet of Airbus A330-223 aircraft, formerly operated by KingfisherAirlines have found new ids:

VT-VJK: owned by Lufthansa Technik (D-ALAA, stored at Malta-Luqa Airport); in Kingfisher livery
VT-VJL: operated by ArikAir (5N-JIC; leased from Pembroke Group-Ireland); christened: Joseph of the Holy Family
VT-VJN: operated by ArikAir (5N-JID, Leased from Pembroke Group-Ireland); christened: Our Lady of Grace
VT-VJO: owned by Lufthansa Technik (D-ALAB, stored at Malta-Luqa Airport); in Kingfisher livery
VT-VJP: owned by Lufthansa Technik (D-ANJB, stored at Malta-Luqa Airport); in Kingfisher livery

oliver2002

Jul 11, 2013 7:25 am

There are two KFA A332 rotting away in ZRH. MLA facilities are owned by LHT, but they don't own the KFA aircraft. D-ALAB & ANJB are A320 not A330 and never flew for KFA.

This is a more accurate display:
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/K...20Airlines.htm

Interestingly Arik doesn't operate the KFA 345 on their own, but gave it ti Hifly. The KFA A380 production slots were probably snagged by BA.

GuyFromBOM

Jul 11, 2013 7:28 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 21078080)

There are two KFA A332 rotting away in ZRH. MLA facilities are owned by LHT, but they don't own the KFA aircraft. D-ALAB is a A320 not A330.

This is a more accurate display:
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/K...20Airlines.htm

Interestingly Arik doesn't operate the KFA 345 on their own, but gave it ti Hifly. The KFA A380 production slots were probably snagged by BA.

There is a more recent update here: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regd...LC=nav4&page=2

VT-VJK info has been posted on Planespotters website.

oliver2002

Jul 11, 2013 7:32 am

Interesting... so the lessors found a bakra to lease/sell the 2 A332 KFAs parked in ZRH. LHT MLA will probably refurb/check them before going into service.

GuyFromBOM

Jul 11, 2013 7:37 am

EY should keep an eye out on those..

After all, with the delay in 9W-EY deal approval, there's a possibility that the A330 lease may become null / void..? @:-)

SuperFlyBoy

Jul 11, 2013 7:43 am

The IT A332s were always landed very hard (worse than Jet's) - I would discount those birds based on that fact if I was buying them...

GuyFromBOM

Jul 11, 2013 7:50 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 21078170)

The IT A332s were always landed very hard (worse than Jet's) - I would discount those birds based on that fact if I was buying them...

Not picking on you, by just sharing my very limited experience on both- IT & 9W's A332's.. I experienced the opposite on Jet's A332 aboard the flight from BOM-DXB.

They operated the herringbone A330 on the BOM-DXB-BOM segment last spring.

onlysuites

Jul 11, 2013 7:54 am

Anyone know what happened to VM's private KF plane?

GuyFromBOM

Jul 11, 2013 8:04 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 21078216)

Anyone know what happened to VM's private KF plane?

I spotted it last month, stored / parked at BOM-CSIA's apron that is on the left-side of the runway 14/32, towards the approach that's adjacent to Kurla.

Along with it were 4 more Airbus birds-sans engines, but surprisingly the 2 ATR's that were stored there since Oct-12 were no longer there.

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