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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1456
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
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The no-notice devaluations are an unfortunate (and inexcusable) Hilton hallmark, and one of the reasons it's my third program (after Marriott and Hyatt). It's been a difficult program for finding good redemption values for several years now, and that is clearly going to be even more true going forward.
IMO the outrage here is fully warranted, particularly from those who've acquired their points the hard way (i.e., through stays).
If you want to send a message to Hilton, cancel your credit cards.
IMO the outrage here is fully warranted, particularly from those who've acquired their points the hard way (i.e., through stays).
If you want to send a message to Hilton, cancel your credit cards.
#1457




Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: PHL/EWR
Programs: AA, US, WN, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 1,530
Are companies required to inform you when the hotels are being raised in price with cash rates? So what makes you think they need to do this with points? Do you think that point prices should never go up in price? Is it because you talked about it with a few dozen people on the internet?
News flash. High-demand hotels, in a strong economy, have gone up in price. Sure it sucks, and thanks for letting us know. No need for all of the outrage and claims of bait and switch.
News flash. High-demand hotels, in a strong economy, have gone up in price. Sure it sucks, and thanks for letting us know. No need for all of the outrage and claims of bait and switch.
This is about decreasing the value of points not increasing the cost of the room due to demand.
#1458



Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Atlanta Metro
Programs: Skymiles Gold, Aeroplan, AAdvantage, Hhonors Gold, IH Platinum, Bonvoy Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 2,695
Are companies required to inform you when the hotels are being raised in price with cash rates? So what makes you think they need to do this with points? Do you think that point prices should never go up in price? Is it because you talked about it with a few dozen people on the internet?
News flash. High-demand hotels, in a strong economy, have gone up in price. Sure it sucks, and thanks for letting us know. No need for all of the outrage and claims of bait and switch.
News flash. High-demand hotels, in a strong economy, have gone up in price. Sure it sucks, and thanks for letting us know. No need for all of the outrage and claims of bait and switch.
Imagine, though, that you went to the grocery store and the price of your favorite cereal jumped 20 percent overnight. Pretty annoying, right? I think it's perfectly natural and reasonable to complain about this.
#1459



Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Huntsville, AL
Programs: DL DM 2.017 MM, Hilton Life Diamond, IHG Diamond, Avis CHM, Marriott Titanium (life gold), AA Gold
Posts: 8,052
The Hampton Inns in Scottsboro and Guntersville Alabama had been among the few remaining 10K point properties. They now show up at 20K per night, but I don’t know when that changed. 
I wonder if the USA 10K point properties are all gone now.....?
edit: the points tool has not been updated - it still shows both at 10K, but I searched several months for Scottsboro and found only 20K.

I wonder if the USA 10K point properties are all gone now.....?
edit: the points tool has not been updated - it still shows both at 10K, but I searched several months for Scottsboro and found only 20K.
Last edited by DiverDave; Jun 8, 2019 at 11:39 am
#1460




Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Gulf Coast
Programs: Hilton Honors Lifetime Diamond; National Car Rental Executive Elite
Posts: 2,784
The more currency you manufacture and distribute, the less value it has.
However, the two highest value points properties I visit have remained the same value as far as I can tell.
#1463




Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,934
As I am sure you know points do not have any intrinsic value (and you do not own them). If they started selling FT Bucks would you buy them? Not unless they told you what they were useful for.
Loyalty programs need to tell their customers what the points are good for. Otherwise it is basically like crytoptocurrency (actually not even because you can exchange those). And if so yes, you can sue them under different guidelines for fraud and manipulation.
#1464
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: iah
Programs: ua-mm *G, hilton-gold
Posts: 704
wow, when warsaw Hilton first opened, they were 10,000 points per night. I stayed 5 nights. great deal.
#1465


Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 7,147
It seems to be lost on lots of people that if a company (Hilton in this case) starts giving away huge numbers of bonus points that ultimatey the value of points will be reduced, and ultimately this will lead to more points being required for reward stays. It's not rocket science..
#1466




Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,934
It seems to be lost on lots of people that if a company (Hilton in this case) starts giving away huge numbers of bonus points that ultimatey the value of points will be reduced, and ultimately this will lead to more points being required for reward stays. It's not rocket science..
Who saw the Hertz points devaluation coming? No one
#1467
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Join Date: Apr 2013
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In any event, not sure why the purported economic geniuses here seem to believe that increased points float somehow justifies a no-notice devaluation. That is a complete non sequitur.
Finally, since this is not an open market, but rather one in which Hilton and the properties exercise exclusive control over inventory and pricing, the analogy to currency devaluation in an open market is completely inapt. Hilton certainly can keep prices unchanged. The result would be more points competing for the same number of rooms, i.e., it would be harder to redeem for the desirable properties. This is an inherent characteristic of a market in which prices are fixed. An award chart is by definition price fixing, and it can be expected to throw the demand curve out of whack, since prices are set by Hilton, not the market.
#1468




Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hyatt Place
Programs: world hyatt national
Posts: 5,894
The no-notice devaluations are an unfortunate (and inexcusable) Hilton hallmark, and one of the reasons it's my third program (after Marriott and Hyatt). It's been a difficult program for finding good redemption values for several years now, and that is clearly going to be even more true going forward.
As much as I complain about the lack of Diamond recognition at Hilton (late checkout iffy, stingy breakfast benefit at many US properties, poor upgrade %, EL quality esp in US), it's the only hotel chain with a good number of upscale properties that make a truly elite status available for a fee, and the points keep pouring like loose slot machine (44 points per $, with Aspire and 2x promos which feel perpetual). In comparison...
Hyatt:
pros: Regency Clubs in US are consistently superior to EL. Predictable late check-out. Good credit card with decent perks and similar value per $ spent as Aspire imo.
cons: Cannot "purchase" a status that's commensurate with hhonors Diamond or even Gold. Can usually purchase RC access for $50-70/night and I do that selectively, but that still doesn't give you the restaurant breakfast option. Not enough properties. Does not hand out points promos like Hilton.
Marriott (I don't know this program as much, so am just jotting down what I know):
pros: Can theoretically buy into Plat Elite (which seems to me the lowest truly valuable status) with $75k spend on cc. And Plat Elite is likely more valuable and exclusive than Diamond. Number-wise lot more upscale properties than Hilton.
cons: aforementioned $75k spend is pretty steep. Many hotels seem to close lounge on weekends, which does us no good.
I sure hope they'll go easy on us with future devaluations. Unfortunately, for now I have no other recourse than to keep taking it up the butt and just stay with Hilton.
#1469




Join Date: Jan 2009
Programs: Hilton Diamond, IHG Spire Ambassador, Radisson Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 3,749
Conrad Osaka is now up to 95000 points for the nights that I just spot checked. Previously it was 80,000 or maybe 88,000. The 95,000 price is definitely new.



