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Animator Mar 1, 2017 5:36 am

Hilton Imperial Dubrovnik
Was 40K until end of April.

Now - 70K

Animator Mar 1, 2017 5:40 am

Hilton Vilamoura
Was 30K until end of June.

Now 60K

turtlemichael Mar 1, 2017 5:42 am


Originally Posted by Animator (Post 27974067)
Hilton Imperial Dubrovnik
Was 40K until end of April.

Now - 70K

Same (40k to 70K) for Hilton Mauritius early next year though I expect it will reduce as time moves on because rates at the moment look like rack rates which will surely reduce.

Michael19887 Mar 1, 2017 6:03 am

Doubletree Times Square NYC now as low as 49,000 in the winter. Nice properties in NYC as low as 30,000. Previously it was impossible to find NYC less than 60,000.

arlflyer Mar 1, 2017 6:08 am


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 27974014)
Yeah! Let's throw the whole company and program under the bus 6 minutes into their new IT rollout! Light the torches! Rabble! :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by turtlemichael (Post 27974034)
I don't think I have done that. I have drawn attention to examples which do not appear to me to make a lot of sense. YMMV.

I was just ragging on the OP - 12:06 AM Eastern, "Worst devaluation yet!!!"

Data is always appreciated - definitely no hard feelings in your direction.

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 1, 2017 6:09 am

Meh - you are being too cynical! Just let the new programming team, hired from Delta, do their work and let their new audit team, hired from PriceWaterhouseCoopers, do their quality control review.:D


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 27974014)
Yeah! Let's throw the whole company and program under the bus 6 minutes into their new IT rollout! Light the torches! Rabble! :rolleyes:


sch7458 Mar 1, 2017 6:10 am

On the positive side:

Doubletree Shanghai Pudong: 40k (before) ; 25k (now)
Conrad Seoul: 60k (before) ; 44k (now)
Conrad Tokyo: 80k (before) ; 59k (now)
Palmer House Chicago: 50k (before); 23k (now)
Hilton Mauritius: 50k (before); 41k (now)

This is not too bad, actually. It's rather a rate adjustment which is much closer to actual daily price than a mere devaluation. The downside is it's getting more difficult to get a point worth more than 0.6 cent $, but on the bright side a point won't be less than 0.5 cent $ worth.

Raffles Mar 1, 2017 6:12 am

Waldorf Beijing is showing as 58,000 on a night where a cash room is over $400.

lyndonmaxewell Mar 1, 2017 6:16 am

Looks like theres Good and Bad, depending on where you are coming from

GUWonder Mar 1, 2017 6:17 am


Originally Posted by sch7458 (Post 27974171)
On the positive side:

Doubletree Shanghai Pudong: 40k (before) ; 25k (now)
Conrad Seoul: 60k (before) ; 44k (now)
Conrad Tokyo: 80k (before) ; 59k (now)
Palmer House Chicago: 50k (before); 23k (now)
Hilton Mauritius: 50k (before); 41k (now)

This is not too bad, actually. It's rather a rate adjustment which is much closer to actual daily price than a mere devaluation. The downside is it's getting more difficult to get a point worth more than 0.6 cent $, but on the bright side a point won't be less than 0.5 cent $ worth.

When redeemed Hilton points are fundamentally worth no more than a fixed cash amount per point, the point of collecting the Hilton points -- at least via partner activity or where partner point alternatives are relatively more valuable -- gets undermined and a replacement option makes more sense than would otherwise be the case.

If Hilton wants Hilton Honors to be nothing more than a form of restricted cash back, many of its customers would be better off going for something less restricted in its value -- something like actual cash back. Are we there yet? Not so sure.

sch7458 Mar 1, 2017 6:19 am


Originally Posted by Raffles (Post 27974181)
Waldorf Beijing is showing as 58,000 on a night where a cash room is over $400.

Yep. This is actually not bad at all:

http://image.prntscr.com/image/37c43...b2c35b46d7.png

With the previous rate Conrad Beijing was 60k and Waldorf Beijing 80k.

sch7458 Mar 1, 2017 6:24 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 27974197)
When redeemed Hilton points are fundamentally worth no more than a fixed cash amount per point, the point of collecting the Hilton points -- at least via partner activity or where partner point alternatives are relatively more valuable -- gets undermined and a replacement option makes more sense than would otherwise be the case.

If Hilton wants Hilton Honors to be nothing more than a form of restricted cash back, many of its customers would be better off going for something less restricted in its value -- something like actual cash back. Are we there yet? Not so sure.

I guess everyone is moving into that way. Starts with Delta couple years ago, now the big 3 US carriers programs are revenue-based. I can imagine that the 2018 SPG-Marriott program will be similar.

kkl Mar 1, 2017 6:30 am

CKS is now 95K all year round? Was 80k before.

lyndonmaxewell Mar 1, 2017 6:30 am

http://image.prntscr.com/image/54e79...83b7185495.png

Good news from Conrad Hong Kong. Previously 80K points. And I am being sarcastic here.

Shanye2233 Mar 1, 2017 6:31 am


Originally Posted by turtlemichael (Post 27974001)
Looking at Sydney Hilton in very early January. It has reduced to 45,000 points which is the lowest I have seen in recent times. However, the points rate is said to be non-cancellable!

i have booked this property for 37k for a premium room a few times.


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