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-   -   Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hilton-hilton-honors/129148-consolidated-points-devaluation-thread.html)

Boraxo Dec 22, 2024 10:42 pm
It makes good sense to be a free agent, unless you a receiving elite perks that effectively lower the comparative price of your room. I will happily pay for Hilton if the price/location/quality/value is right compared to other options. But I would not choose Hilton for the points, which are never more valuable than what I receive from competitors.

Originally Posted by smmrfld (Post 36756683)
LOL and we see the exact same posts re other hotel programs any time someone doesn’t like something. Grass ain’t no greener.
Well, actually it is at Hyatt, if Hyatt has a property where you need to go.
  • Guaranteed suite upgrades
  • Guaranteed breakfasts
  • 4pm checkout (at least I've never been denied at Hyatt)
  • All fraudulent resort aka amenity aka destination fees waived
  • Parking fees waived on points stays
Of course you have to be Globalist, which is not so easy as you can't obtain it by paying a CC annual fee.

eponymous_coward Dec 23, 2024 12:10 pm
Originally Posted by 777 global mile hound (Post 36756833)
Kind of a cliche response that’s self defeating.
Ok to believe that but that’s what they want you to believe.
No, that's my actual lived experience. Hyatt has routinely jacked up award pricing at hotels I've stayed at as an elite. I used a Cat 1-4 cert to stay in Manhattan a few years ago. Now, can't do that. Hyatt Places moving from Cat 1 or Cat 2 to Cat 3 or Cat 4, and so on.

I mean, great that they announce category changes but the end result is the same, the program is devalued for me, points get less useful.

IHG and Marriott are fully dynamic such that (as an example) a luxury hotel in London will run me six digits a night in points (considerably more than comparable Hilton properties BTW, which are capped well below 100k). Hyatt pricing is better in sheer volume of points but I have to burn a boatload of Chase UR that I'd rather use on flights and the earn proposition for stays isn't amazing unless I want to commit to Globalist (I don't).

I mean, that leaves you with what, Sonesta? Accor is flat rate "this point is worth this much a fraction of a euro" so that's not very lucrative.

Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 36756973)
It makes good sense to be a free agent, unless you a receiving elite perks that effectively lower the comparative price of your room. I will happily pay for Hilton if the price/location/quality/value is right compared to other options. But I would not choose Hilton for the points, which are never more valuable than what I receive from competitors.
I've gotten 54x on Hilton stays and room charges with the Aspire when the stars align. I score that as a 27% rebate. There are times when I will choose Hilton for that kind of a rebate in free agency (and because the competition isn't running as lucrative a promo).

Hawkeyefan Dec 23, 2024 9:38 pm
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 36758147)
No, that's my actual lived experience. Hyatt has routinely jacked up award pricing at hotels I've stayed at as an elite. I used a Cat 1-4 cert to stay in Manhattan a few years ago. Now, can't do that. Hyatt Places moving from Cat 1 or Cat 2 to Cat 3 or Cat 4, and so on.

I mean, great that they announce category changes but the end result is the same, the program is devalued for me, points get less useful.

IHG and Marriott are fully dynamic such that (as an example) a luxury hotel in London will run me six digits a night in points (considerably more than comparable Hilton properties BTW, which are capped well below 100k). Hyatt pricing is better in sheer volume of points but I have to burn a boatload of Chase UR that I'd rather use on flights and the earn proposition for stays isn't amazing unless I want to commit to Globalist (I don't).

I mean, that leaves you with what, Sonesta? Accor is flat rate "this point is worth this much a fraction of a euro" so that's not very lucrative.



I've gotten 54x on Hilton stays and room charges with the Aspire when the stars align. I score that as a 27% rebate. There are times when I will choose Hilton for that kind of a rebate in free agency (and because the competition isn't running as lucrative a promo).
Except it appears Hilton is almost to the end of capping std point redemptions.


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