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Adelphos Jun 19, 2019 10:06 am


Originally Posted by Cledaybuck (Post 31218706)
The credit card is one of the sweet spots in the program right now.

With the average point per night increasing across the portfolio, the weekend certs seemed to have increased in value...

zombietooth Jun 19, 2019 10:32 am


Originally Posted by Adelphos (Post 31218759)
With the average point per night increasing across the portfolio, the weekend certs seemed to have increased in value...

Clever observation, my friend. I've used my weekend certs in Bora Bora, the Maldives, Koh Samui, etc. They are a currency that is easy to use and that has appreciated significantly vs points.

cfabar1 Jun 19, 2019 1:16 pm

I am a Hilton Gold via AMEX, so I stay with Hilton now and again. I have to say, their elite benefits are very nice - breakfast, often lounge access as a Gold, but the trade off is the insanely high number of points it takes to redeem.

FOr me, as a more casual and personal paying traveler at the moment, the Free nights seem to be the easiest to earn at Hyatt, but since I will never be a globalist with Hyatt the elite benefits are not that grate.

flyingislove Jun 19, 2019 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 31218850)
Clever observation, my friend. I've used my weekend certs in Bora Bora, the Maldives, Koh Samui, etc. They are a currency that is easy to use and that has appreciated significantly vs points.

I don't know, I guess I wasn't able to avail myself of the benefit well enough. But you are right, there is a lot of gain in that if you do use it.

italdesign Jun 20, 2019 7:26 am


Originally Posted by craigthemif (Post 31217583)
I will gladly sell you 1,000,000 Honors points for 0.695 cents each... You would be making a tidy profit against your valuation...

I think it's worth around 0.35 CPP. I just don't redeem them unless I get 0.75 CPP, which wasn't hard historically, but is extremely hard now in the low "categories".

craz Jun 20, 2019 8:17 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 31221995)
I think it's worth around 0.35 CPP. I just don't redeem them unless I get 0.75 CPP, which wasn't hard historically, but is extremely hard now in the low "categories".

I found that in the past year+ getting .005 was good and agree the days of getting .01 is pretty much over unless one is booking a top hotel @ 95k or so

Heck I needed a hotel for a night next week, usually stayed alittle further away from where I needed to be at a Hampton for 20k, then it went up to 30k now its 40k, the $ rate after MVP is $79 Ouch! I booked with a different chain.

I can fully understand dynamic pricing but it should be a 2 way street just like JetBlue does it, they assign a value to each pt and then multiply it to determine the # of pts needed = the lower the fare the lower amount of pts needed. Seems the airlines and Hilton have instituted a min ripoff amount and no limit to the up side. In my case Hilton would need to be asking just over 20k and not 40k

Definitely time to move on

Jaimito Cartero Jun 20, 2019 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 31222141)
I found that in the past year+ getting .005 was god and agere the days of getting .01 is pretty much over unless one is booking a top hotel @ 95k or so

Heck I needed a hotel for a night next week, usually stayed alittle further away from where I needed to be at a Hampton for 20k, then it went up to 30k now its 40k, the $ rate after MVP is $79 Ouch! I booked with a different chain.

I can fully understand dynamic pricing but it should be a 2 way street just like JetBlue does it, they assign a value to each pt and then multiply it to determine the # of pts needed = the lower the fare the lower amount of pts needed. Seems the airlines and Hilton have instituted a min ripoff amount and no limit to the up side. In my case Hilton would need to be asking just over 20k and not 40k

Definitely time to move on

I almost always find a good value for awards. If something like the overpriced award you showed pops up, I’ll just pay cash and save the points for another stay.

I routinely burn 300-600k in award points per year, usually in 5 night chunks.

username Jun 20, 2019 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 31218850)
Clever observation, my friend. I've used my weekend certs in Bora Bora, the Maldives, Koh Samui, etc. They are a currency that is easy to use and that has appreciated significantly vs points.

Until they pull an IHG / Chase and limit the redemption to below a certain number of points...

christianj Jun 22, 2019 3:29 am


Originally Posted by username (Post 31224480)
Until they pull an IHG / Chase and limit the redemption to below a certain number of points...

That would get a lot of people upset but I think we can assume to never say never.

antebellum Jun 22, 2019 7:20 am


Originally Posted by cfabar1 (Post 31219532)
I am a Hilton Gold via AMEX, so I stay with Hilton now and again. I have to say, their elite benefits are very nice - breakfast, often lounge access as a Gold, but the trade off is the insanely high number of points it takes to redeem.

FOr me, as a more casual and personal paying traveler at the moment, the Free nights seem to be the easiest to earn at Hyatt, but since I will never be a globalist with Hyatt the elite benefits are not that grate.

I never got lounge access as a Gold. Experience differs. :(

username Jun 22, 2019 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by christianj (Post 31228006)


That would get a lot of people upset but I think we can assume to never say never.

This devaluation gets a lot of people upset. Economy is good, they don't care. Economy is bad, they need to tighten to make the numbers look good. Either way, we are screwed.

Jaimito Cartero Jun 22, 2019 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by antebellum (Post 31228340)
I never got lounge access as a Gold. Experience differs. :(

I had gotten some nice upgrades as a Hilton Gold. Rooms, lounge access, you name it. It really depends on what countries you travel to. I find minimal upgrades in the US, decent in Europe, and much better in Asia.

Diamond is even better.

Super Mario Jun 22, 2019 7:33 pm

I hope this turns away a lot of the abusers. Hilton is by far and away the best choice for me. Sure the points may be worth less, but between the massive amount I get, it's still a sizable rebate. The real winner for me is having Diamond and a friends and family rate access. You can try to say "well this chain has X" but crunching the numbers, it's still too good here.

Grog Sep 11, 2019 9:32 pm

I don't see where it's addressed: with this shift, are the hotels receiving the same per-point reimbursement on each point redeemed or was the value per point shifted downward to the detriment of the participating hotel?

:D! Sep 11, 2019 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Grog (Post 31516209)
I don't see where it's addressed: with this shift, are the hotels receiving the same per-point reimbursement on each point redeemed or was the value per point shifted downward to the detriment of the participating hotel?

AFAIK the amount a hotel is paid for redemptions bears no relation to the amount of points required.


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