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Jaimito Cartero Aug 12, 2023 11:53 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post 35491797)
What is "5-4-4 redemption"?

I’d guess, book 5 nights, pay for 4.

Eujeanie Aug 12, 2023 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 35491832)
I’d guess, book 5 nights, pay for 4.

I've always just called it 5th night free. But whatever works.

ovacikar Aug 12, 2023 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by TravelinSperry (Post 35491753)
Is there any way to see if the total points required for a property is lower when you don't have enough points to redeem? I used all my points for an upcoming redemption but saw cash rates are now lower. I guessed that the total points for the 5 nights is also lower, yet I am not allowed to see the total points required (Hilton now only shows me cash and points). I even tried to modify the reservation and the same thing occurred. I took the chance and cancelled the points reservation and then I saw the total points required for redemption did drop by 14,000 points. So I booked the new points reservation. Is this the only way to do it? It's risky (as once I cancel I lose the room and may not get it back again, depending on occupancy levels). Any tricks here to see if less total points are avail for previously booked award stays?

I create an alert on staywithpoints.com . If I booked using X points per night (ignoring 5th night free) , I set an alert for X-1000 points.

Also on Android app it shows me total points needed when making a reservation.

serpens Aug 13, 2023 8:43 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post 35491785)
Simply don't sign into your account. When you're in your account, it "knows" how many points you have. If you look without signing in it will tell you what all the points rates are.

My recollection is that the web site will say something like "first night 60,000 points" but will not give any indication if that amount varies for subsequent nights. Certainly I have looked at points redemptions while not signed in and have run into some roadblock that prevented me from seeing the total number of points required for a multi-night stay. Is there some step I'm missing?

ovacikar Aug 13, 2023 9:21 am


Originally Posted by serpens (Post 35493738)
My recollection is that the web site will say something like "first night 60,000 points" but will not give any indication if that amount varies for subsequent nights. Certainly I have looked at points redemptions while not signed in and have run into some roadblock that prevented me from seeing the total number of points required for a multi-night stay. Is there some step I'm missing?

That's the behaviour when logged in. When logged out it says XXX points / night which is the average per night for the whole stay (not applying 5th night free of course).

So you multiply that with the number of nights. substracting 1 for every 5th night.
Or just use the mobile app and click the (i) on the left of the standard reward rate

serpens Aug 13, 2023 10:33 am


Originally Posted by ovacikar (Post 35493830)
That's the behaviour when logged in. When logged out it says XXX points / night which is the average per night for the whole stay (not applying 5th night free of course).
[...]

I just checked the Amsterdam Doubletree Centraal Station while not logged in, and the behavior was closer to what I was trying to say originally than what I understand you to be saying.

On the initial results page, where many properties are listed, it says "60,000* points for the first night". On the hotel page, for standard room award, it says 60,000 per night (with no asterisk), but for all other rooms, it gives a point requirement for the first night (with an asterisk). Since an asterisk normally indicates a change during the stay, that seems to be a contradiction between the pages, but the point is that every rate with an asterisk says for the first night. Again, not logged in.

SPN Lifer Aug 14, 2023 5:02 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post # 1650) (Post 35491797)
What is "5-4-4 redemption"?

The abbreviation saves two characters instead of typing a "5 for 4 redemption". :D

serpens Aug 14, 2023 7:39 am


Originally Posted by SPN Lifer (Post 35495746)
The abbreviation saves two characters instead of typing a "5 for 4 redemption". :D

And costs way more than two letters as people ask for and receive clarification. Sigh.

TravelinSperry Nov 16, 2023 4:37 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post 35491785)
Simply don't sign into your account. When you're in your account, it "knows" how many points you have. If you look without signing in it will tell you what all the points rates are.

Cool. I found another way as well. Just use the app when looking at point redemptions (not website) and then click on the paid room rate... and then click the exclamation point next to the points required for the stay (not the cash booking link). It'll show you the total points required.

On another note, just redeemed for my best value ever using Hilton points. 1.56 cents per using the 5th night free. It's during a special event, so cash prices in the area are incredibly high but since I'm going to the event - it saved me oodles. Finally Hilton paying some dividends!

idkmybffjill Dec 20, 2024 4:53 pm

Looks like Hilton just did a devaluation. As of 2 days ago, a standard room award redemption at Waldorf Cabo was 120,000 points. It‘s now 140,000.

Boraxo Dec 22, 2024 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by idkmybffjill (Post 36752696)
Looks like Hilton just did a devaluation. As of 2 days ago, a standard room award redemption at Waldorf Cabo was 120,000 points. It‘s now 140,000.

yup, see OMAAT:

https://onemileatatime.com/news/hilt...-points-costs/

The lack of notice is appalling but unfortunately par for the course.

777 global mile hound Dec 22, 2024 6:15 pm

Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?

smmrfld Dec 22, 2024 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by 777 global mile hound (Post 36756661)
Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?

LOL and we see the exact same posts re other hotel programs any time someone doesn’t like something. Grass ain’t no greener.

eponymous_coward Dec 22, 2024 6:41 pm


Originally Posted by 777 global mile hound (Post 36756661)
Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?

The good news is Marriott ande IHG are 100% uncapped for their room rates on points, so enjoy. :D

Most expensive London hotel on random dates in summer 2025:

Hilton: 100k (Dukes)
Marriott: 128.5k (London EDITION)
IHG: 120k (intercontinental Park Lane)

FWIW, the FNC you get for the Hilton Aspire will actually cover a night at Dukes. Not so much a Marriott or IHG hotel in that price range.

Hyatt's definitely better pricewise for points but that's going to be a Chase UR transfer thing... good thing Hyatt hasn't been jacking prices and putting hotels in Category 8 lately, huh?

777 global mile hound Dec 22, 2024 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by smmrfld (Post 36756683)
LOL and we see the exact same posts re other hotel programs any time someone doesn’t like something. Grass ain’t no greener.

Kind of a cliche response that’s self defeating.
Ok to believe that but that’s what they want you to believe.

I’m doing better in other hotel programs with cost value relationship and
perks that matter
Unfortunately hotel programs have become much like airline programs
monkey see monkey do
As an example the absurd outrageous 500k one way in business class
which emboldened other programs to overprice
As a result I’m more engaged in some of the international programs
Upper Class to Europe in business class for 20 to 29k one way

As of now I am at almost 45% less in hotel redemption costs
next month over Hilton :tu:
While it won’t last for ever one must ride the gravy train while the going is good
Those that make excuses that they will all be bad eventually
misses opportunity likely

It’s sheep following the flock.
Example hundreds waiting for an uber Lyft with sky high pricing while taxis sit empty for a third of the price depending on the destination.
I crunch the numbers and do what’s best for myself and I urge you to do the same.
After decades thankfully I’m still finding the sweet spots in these programs granted it has gotten harder


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