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BrlDsguise Jun 15, 2019 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 31206416)
So, if that is the case, then most of the benefit from the latest point increases accrues to Hilton Corporate, not to the property owners. In fact, if a mundane property has too high a redemption rate, it is likely that they would have many more unsold room-nights per year and less total revenue.

And a high end property may have less guests who would spend money on food, drink, parking and other incidentals.

Canarsie Jun 15, 2019 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 31201780)
Like many others I have no interest in Maldives or Bora Bora but curious about these exciting 5k properties. Where pray tell are these wonderful gems located?

Two are in Colombia; two are in Egypt; one is in Indonesia; three are in Mexico; one is in Russia; and 14 are in Turkey for a total of 23 hotel properties:

COLOMBIA
  • Hampton by Hilton Bucaramanga
  • Hampton by Hilton – Yopal, Colombia
EGYPT
  • Hilton Sharm Waterfalls Resort — Sharm El Sheikh
  • Hilton Hurghada Resort
INDONESIA
  • Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport
MEXICO
  • Hampton Inn by Hilton Reynosa/Zona Industrial
  • Hampton Inn Tampico Zona Dorado, TAM
  • Hilton Garden Inn Tuxtla Gutierrez
RUSSIA
  • Hampton by Hilton Ufa Russia
TURKEY
  • Hilton Garden Inn Corlu, Turkey — Tekirdag
  • Hilton Garden Inn Ankara Gimat
  • Hilton Garden Inn Sanliurfa
  • Hilton Garden Inn Mardin
  • Hilton Garden Inn Konya
  • Hilton Garden Inn Izmir Bayrakli
  • Hilton Garden Inn Kutahya
  • Hilton Garden Inn Eskisehir, Turkey
  • Hilton Garden Inn Erzincan
  • Hilton Garden Inn Diyarbakir (Ari), Turkey
  • Hampton by Hilton Samsun
  • Hampton by Hilton Bolu
  • Hampton by Hilton Kahramanmaras
  • Doubletree by Hilton Elazig

IncredibleDeals Jun 15, 2019 6:59 pm

Would love to try the Egypt properties. But getting there the problem.

storewanderer Jun 15, 2019 7:56 pm

I did a few 40k point redemptions this year and I'm glad I did because those properties I went to are now all 50k.

At this point we should all be used to it. Hilton always has a Double Points promotion going or some equivalent. It has been that way for years now.

What I take issue with is how the increases are so large. Why does it have to be a 10k point jump at once? Why not a few thousand points or 5k points or some smaller step up?

But the great news is there are still two NM properties at 10k. Lordsburg did not look like a place with much to offer; I drove through there but am glad I did not stay there... Deming on the other hand where I did stay, isn't a bad little town for a night or two. You can go cross into (a sleepy) small town in Mexico about 40 minutes down the road (park on US side and walk over it is like crossing a street aside from the border crossing part... but it isn't that busy of a crossing). Interesting little local history museum in Deming. Excellent Chinese restaurant downtown that closes early like 7 PM. Oh and the Hampton Inn was a fine hotel.

Canarsie Jun 15, 2019 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by IncredibleDeals (Post 31206726)
Would love to try the Egypt properties. But getting there the problem.

Just be aware that I do not believe that any of the Hilton hotel properties in Egypt are all-inclusive anymore — except for Hilton Hurghada Resort, at which all-inclusive has always been an option for which you pay extra.

Also, don’t drive in Cairo. Trust me on this one...

italdesign Jun 16, 2019 12:48 am

I'd consider the 5k Bali Airport hotel if I wanted to be near Kuta or Jimbaran.

Jaimito Cartero Jun 16, 2019 5:06 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 31207267)
I'd consider the 5k Bali Airport hotel if I wanted to be near Kuta or Jimbaran.

This is a pretty solid hotel. I’ll be checking it out again next month. I’ve heard it has a new Spanish GM.


Delectatio Jun 16, 2019 6:14 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 31207267)
I'd consider the 5k Bali Airport hotel if I wanted to be near Kuta or Jimbaran.

I would hurry up. It might go up to 30K points per night tomorrow, next week, next month...?

nk15 Jun 16, 2019 8:59 am


Originally Posted by Delectatio (Post 31207747)
I would hurry up. It might go up to 30K points per night tomorrow, next week, next month...?

A few cat 2-3 Marriotts and the cat 1 Hyatt went up in Bali in March, so this is a risk...

Jaimito Cartero Jun 16, 2019 9:11 am


Originally Posted by Delectatio (Post 31207747)
I would hurry up. It might go up to 30K points per night tomorrow, next week, next month...?

30k? I think not. You often see these rooms selling for 550k++ per night. ($45 or so)

Delectatio Jun 16, 2019 10:47 am

I have seen 86 EUR standard rooms (in another hotel) going for 50K points recently... Not that I booked them of course.

Dad to Rei Jun 16, 2019 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Delectatio (Post 31208428)
I have seen 86 EUR standard rooms (in another hotel) going for 50K points recently... Not that I booked them of course.

That's crazy high. ~0.2 CPP.

Delectatio Jun 16, 2019 11:16 am

What happened to dynamic pricing when paying with points??
I now see plenty of hotels selling cheap weekend nights (+-100 EUR) for the same amount of points as their more expensive weekday nights (200-300 EUR)??

escape4 Jun 16, 2019 11:59 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 31207267)
I'd consider the 5k Bali Airport hotel if I wanted to be near Kuta or Jimbaran.

The problem is that not a lot of people going to Bali will stay at the airport, except for one night only.

nk15 Jun 16, 2019 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by escape4 (Post 31208608)
The problem is that not a lot of people going to Bali will stay at the airport, except for one night only.

The location plays a role, and the hotel's value is now at 1c/p, which makes it a great deal. I hope they are smart and keep it that way. Even if they raise it to only 10k/night, the value becomes .5 c/p, which is average, and loses much of the appeal.


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