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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#511
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Well, we already know that there is a more general Q2 promo coming and we pretty much know what it will be (double points or free night after 10 nights).
Why does it matter that we aren't sure how members for the newest promo were targeted?
I'm sure Hilton isn't the only program to run targeted promos.
Why does it matter that we aren't sure how members for the newest promo were targeted?
I'm sure Hilton isn't the only program to run targeted promos.
very true....
#512
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Philly
Programs: HHonors Diamond, SPG Platinum
Posts: 197
I believe in another thread, Saad suggested that perhaps Hilton is testing promos and how people react to them. That sounds plausible to me.
#513
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
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Well, they appear to random to us.. but who knows. Maybe it really is random, maybe there's some sort of algorithm, I don't know. But I'm not going to jump ship because I was not targeted. Especially since IMO, it isn't a very good promo to begin with.
I believe in another thread, Saad suggested that perhaps Hilton is testing promos and how people react to them. That sounds plausible to me.
I believe in another thread, Saad suggested that perhaps Hilton is testing promos and how people react to them. That sounds plausible to me.
Targeted marketing has one purpose saving the company as much money as they can on their marketing budget and getting a return/uptick in business from a group that might be the least likely to respond otherwise.
It is about getting a rise in spend from that target group of customers
No company wants to give gifts to a group that is already satisfied and going to earn status doing the same business they would have performed with or without a promotion.The problem with this overused strategy for some years now is that many members feel taken for granted and under appreciated in this era of shared information.In some cases loyal customers rebel by taking their business elsewhere sometimes for good.The art of managing this practice becomes a balancing act of promotions that are targeted and those that can enagage all members globally.
IMO by observation Hyatt Gold Passport remains perhaps the best program with the most generous promotions year round with the very least amount of targeted offers that most members can benefit from in my decades of experience in participation.It also offers the richest of all Diamond/top tier rewards/amenities/benefits as of today trumping Hilton and many other programs.As always opinions and experiences will vary
#514
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: SG
Programs: KF Gold, SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, PC Gold Ambassador
Posts: 255
2010
*wood - 33 nights
IHG - 14 nights
Hyatt - 4 nights
Hilton - 0 and it'll stay this way
quite a pity as I really like the conrad HK but I'm off to greener pastures
IHG - 14 nights
Hyatt - 4 nights
Hilton - 0 and it'll stay this way
quite a pity as I really like the conrad HK but I'm off to greener pastures
#515
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#517
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
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I appreciate your passion for waving goodbye to HH
They have made serious mistakes in this economy with the program and customer service is hitting new lows sadly due to to the complicated workings and procedures of HH
However IHG Priority Club who I assume you refer to is probably not that much better then HH
In fact I would say recognition may be worse.You might consider Hyatt Gold Passport which is outstanding or the tried an true classic SPG program
All experiences will vary in all programs but these two programs are in my personal Hall of Fame
It is my hope one day to come back to HH if they get the house in order.
Cheers and congratulations for moving on
They have made serious mistakes in this economy with the program and customer service is hitting new lows sadly due to to the complicated workings and procedures of HH
However IHG Priority Club who I assume you refer to is probably not that much better then HH
In fact I would say recognition may be worse.You might consider Hyatt Gold Passport which is outstanding or the tried an true classic SPG program
All experiences will vary in all programs but these two programs are in my personal Hall of Fame

It is my hope one day to come back to HH if they get the house in order.
Cheers and congratulations for moving on
#518




Join Date: Oct 2004
Programs: Darth Vader of AMEX, A ladys best friend of Hilton, Pt78 of SPG, *G ,*S, ANA VIP
Posts: 3,970
bye hilton
after several years of diamond, and thinking of dropping it, for a couple of years, i finally didnt renew my diamond status last year.
would have been a couple of stays, but i figured, that gold with hilton is still good enough.
so its hello starwood (i clock my average 50 stays there per year)
+ hyatt is the new winner. (and ffn sound sweet.)
cheers dp
would have been a couple of stays, but i figured, that gold with hilton is still good enough.
so its hello starwood (i clock my average 50 stays there per year)
+ hyatt is the new winner. (and ffn sound sweet.)
cheers dp
#519
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA 1K, AA Exp, HH Dia, WOH Glob, IHG Plat, Marriott Gold, NA EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 17,494
I appreciate your passion for waving goodbye to HH
They have made serious mistakes in this economy with the program and customer service is hitting new lows sadly due to to the complicated workings and procedures of HH
However IHG Priority Club who I assume you refer to is probably not that much better then HH
In fact I would say recognition may be worse.You might consider Hyatt Gold Passport which is outstanding or the tried an true classic SPG program
All experiences will vary in all programs but these two programs are in my personal Hall of Fame
It is my hope one day to come back to HH if they get the house in order.
Cheers and congratulations for moving on
They have made serious mistakes in this economy with the program and customer service is hitting new lows sadly due to to the complicated workings and procedures of HH
However IHG Priority Club who I assume you refer to is probably not that much better then HH
In fact I would say recognition may be worse.You might consider Hyatt Gold Passport which is outstanding or the tried an true classic SPG program
All experiences will vary in all programs but these two programs are in my personal Hall of Fame

It is my hope one day to come back to HH if they get the house in order.
Cheers and congratulations for moving on
#521
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SFO
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Last year our notoriously tight travel restrictions were eased and I was able to try many different brands in both the IHG and HH families, as Plat and Gold, respectively.
HH is the favorite program for most folks in our group but I am slowly converting them away. The impression I had last year is that HH properties try very hard to fulfill the minimum level of recognition, like a checklist. At IHG properties, especially on the lower end, it seems as though the attitude is to genuinely value the revenue and give more recognition, via better upgrades, point bonuses, food vouchers, etc., than required.
But what really clinched it for me was the latest personal trip I made. For 30k points total, I redeemed THREE nights I needed for the trip. Each one of those, I attempted to redeem at Hilton first. Either no availability or 2-3x as many points.
In my experience, I've been just as likely to get a "bad" property in either program. Quite a few of my nights are in fairly rural locations. I've consistently found the Holiday Inn Express sleep and bathing infrastructure to be better than that at Hampton.
Rationally, it's not clear to me why I would choose a Hilton property given all of that. So I don't plan to. If my colleagues or clients strongly object, I won't fight it (hard), but I'd rather earn points faster - that I can actually use - and enjoy a better stay experience.
I guess that's my commitment to take business elsewhere. In fact, next week HIX will gain 4 room nights that probably would have been Hampton nights.
#522

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Redmond, Wahington
Programs: British Air, Virgin, Alaska, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 154
I've only stayed twice at Hilton this year, only because I had no other option given that I'm SPG and Hyatt. I mostly stay in the major cities and have been more than happy with Hyatt in 2010 (14 stays so far in 2010) and SPG (9 stays). I was already growing weary with HH but they sealed the deal with this move.
Since we at FT are probably the most intense travelers and revenue generators for travel suppliers, we probably have more power than we realize.
I am starting this thread to demonstrate to HHONORS that going ahead with devaluing our points when the economy has plummeted and business travel is in a slump makes no logical sense.
If hotel rates were rising, Hilton would be pressured by its owner franchisees to increase the rates they get when providing reward space. Since rates are plummeting, there cannot be such pressure, and Hilton is obviously making this change to enhance its own profitability at the expense of its most loyal customers.
Over the past several years, Ms. Travelexpert and I have consistently been giving Hilton 120 nights each year.
So I'll start out making a commitment to decrease my Hilton business to zero if possible. On occasion, Hilton may be the best option--but I'll seek out alternatives moving forward if the new award chart is implemented next January.
I am starting this thread to demonstrate to HHONORS that going ahead with devaluing our points when the economy has plummeted and business travel is in a slump makes no logical sense.
If hotel rates were rising, Hilton would be pressured by its owner franchisees to increase the rates they get when providing reward space. Since rates are plummeting, there cannot be such pressure, and Hilton is obviously making this change to enhance its own profitability at the expense of its most loyal customers.
Over the past several years, Ms. Travelexpert and I have consistently been giving Hilton 120 nights each year.
So I'll start out making a commitment to decrease my Hilton business to zero if possible. On occasion, Hilton may be the best option--but I'll seek out alternatives moving forward if the new award chart is implemented next January.
#523
Join Date: May 2006
Location: LAS
Programs: United 1K, Hyatt Plat, SPG Gold, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, AMEX Plat
Posts: 583
Another deserter
I am just a lowly gold member with Hilton, but I have halted my stays as of January at Hilton and switched almost exclusively to SPG (where I am also gold).
#524
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,212
let me run some measurements to see which program would be the more betterer of the two 
Sounds like IHG is the winner presently for you
#525
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Allow me to respectfully disagree.
Last year our notoriously tight travel restrictions were eased and I was able to try many different brands in both the IHG and HH families, as Plat and Gold, respectively.
HH is the favorite program for most folks in our group but I am slowly converting them away. The impression I had last year is that HH properties try very hard to fulfill the minimum level of recognition, like a checklist. At IHG properties, especially on the lower end, it seems as though the attitude is to genuinely value the revenue and give more recognition, via better upgrades, point bonuses, food vouchers, etc., than required.
But what really clinched it for me was the latest personal trip I made. For 30k points total, I redeemed THREE nights I needed for the trip. Each one of those, I attempted to redeem at Hilton first. Either no availability or 2-3x as many points.
In my experience, I've been just as likely to get a "bad" property in either program. Quite a few of my nights are in fairly rural locations. I've consistently found the Holiday Inn Express sleep and bathing infrastructure to be better than that at Hampton.
Rationally, it's not clear to me why I would choose a Hilton property given all of that. So I don't plan to. If my colleagues or clients strongly object, I won't fight it (hard), but I'd rather earn points faster - that I can actually use - and enjoy a better stay experience.
I guess that's my commitment to take business elsewhere. In fact, next week HIX will gain 4 room nights that probably would have been Hampton nights.
Last year our notoriously tight travel restrictions were eased and I was able to try many different brands in both the IHG and HH families, as Plat and Gold, respectively.
HH is the favorite program for most folks in our group but I am slowly converting them away. The impression I had last year is that HH properties try very hard to fulfill the minimum level of recognition, like a checklist. At IHG properties, especially on the lower end, it seems as though the attitude is to genuinely value the revenue and give more recognition, via better upgrades, point bonuses, food vouchers, etc., than required.
But what really clinched it for me was the latest personal trip I made. For 30k points total, I redeemed THREE nights I needed for the trip. Each one of those, I attempted to redeem at Hilton first. Either no availability or 2-3x as many points.
In my experience, I've been just as likely to get a "bad" property in either program. Quite a few of my nights are in fairly rural locations. I've consistently found the Holiday Inn Express sleep and bathing infrastructure to be better than that at Hampton.
Rationally, it's not clear to me why I would choose a Hilton property given all of that. So I don't plan to. If my colleagues or clients strongly object, I won't fight it (hard), but I'd rather earn points faster - that I can actually use - and enjoy a better stay experience.
I guess that's my commitment to take business elsewhere. In fact, next week HIX will gain 4 room nights that probably would have been Hampton nights.
My assessments are made on other criteria like more upscale hotels typically.Full Service Hiltons,Doubletrees Conrads Garden Inns on the lower end
If one is comparing Holiday Inn Express especially the newer ones vs older Hamptons your point is well taken.
Upgrades could be better and the product might be consistently better
You have opened my eyes and I clearly see your point because of your particular travel pattern and locations



