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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#211
Ambassador: World of Hyatt




Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,212
Started canceling HH reservations today and cutting revenue nights off upcoming Hilton reservations
I regret doing this to certain hotels who have been so good to me over the years.
It could end up hurting some of the folks that I care about at the hotels
However I can not subsidize Blackstones mistakes with the bad timing of their purchase of Hilton.
It seems to me they have to find alternative revenue channels rather then canabilize the value proposistion of the program
At the end of the day it looks like its payback time for HH members
Members are picking up the tab for the increased award availability for standard rooms and Blackstones very bad timing with the purchase of Hilton Hotels
If I were running Hilton HHonors I would make a vow to continue honoring the current award chart for all those members who continue to earn Diamond status.It would be an impressive bargaining chip to insure loyalty amongst the most dedicated customers.
Unfortunately I think we are probably dealing with a regime that doesn't understand the drivers of short or long term loyalty.
Just an easier way out to try and reduce/service debt which in their case looks like a bottomless pit.
How do you spell 20 biliion?
It looks like the bill has finally come in at the expense of HHonors members

I regret doing this to certain hotels who have been so good to me over the years.
It could end up hurting some of the folks that I care about at the hotels
However I can not subsidize Blackstones mistakes with the bad timing of their purchase of Hilton.
It seems to me they have to find alternative revenue channels rather then canabilize the value proposistion of the program
At the end of the day it looks like its payback time for HH members
Members are picking up the tab for the increased award availability for standard rooms and Blackstones very bad timing with the purchase of Hilton Hotels
If I were running Hilton HHonors I would make a vow to continue honoring the current award chart for all those members who continue to earn Diamond status.It would be an impressive bargaining chip to insure loyalty amongst the most dedicated customers.
Unfortunately I think we are probably dealing with a regime that doesn't understand the drivers of short or long term loyalty.
Just an easier way out to try and reduce/service debt which in their case looks like a bottomless pit.
How do you spell 20 biliion?

It looks like the bill has finally come in at the expense of HHonors members
Last edited by 777 global mile hound; Oct 28, 2009 at 8:31 pm
#212




Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: SoCal; DO-RAGS: Old Gold tagged, PIP, LatPass 1/2, AA 4MM, HH LT Diamond, Marriott Titanium/LT Plat, Omni
Posts: 9,685
But, worryingly, maybe Hilton/Blackstone isnt so disappointed to lose our lets maximize earnings/insist on perks/jump on bonuses/minimize spending FT aficionado attitude and just is happy to hold onto Joe Yeah, I think I earn points with Hilton, but I dont pay too close attention to it.
I find it hard to believe that these kinds of devaluation decisions arent made without some modeling; the question is, will this devaluation have a greater impact on income than Hilton bean counters predict?
I find it hard to believe that these kinds of devaluation decisions arent made without some modeling; the question is, will this devaluation have a greater impact on income than Hilton bean counters predict?
#213
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 80
Airlines my tail, its the hotel industry that could use some real oversight
Anyone surprised that the hotel industry has the nerve to devalue points in the middle of a recession/depression? This is a totally out of control industry that still continues to charge more than $100 a night at every middle of nowhere hotel even those located in the middle of a filling station. The hotel scam (facilitated- sorry by business travellers who don't usually care if they are being ripped off). There are hefty redemption requirements, usually 2 or 3 hotels in the whole world in their lowest category, and a constant erosion of point value, and plenty of multi star "franchise in name only" dumps.
If anyone thinks that people are making empty threats, I was able to go from 30 nights a year at Marriott to none-I couldn't bear the bait and switch even though it was my employer that was being scammed. Now I no longer travel much and when I do the Red Roof Inn is usually fine.
As a leisure traveller, I have found the airlines to almost always be a great bargain.
The hotel folks remind me of the Sopranos- I won't even start about the double billing, charges I never made, sneaky fees, interent charges at $250 hotels, etec.
If anyone thinks that people are making empty threats, I was able to go from 30 nights a year at Marriott to none-I couldn't bear the bait and switch even though it was my employer that was being scammed. Now I no longer travel much and when I do the Red Roof Inn is usually fine.
As a leisure traveller, I have found the airlines to almost always be a great bargain.
The hotel folks remind me of the Sopranos- I won't even start about the double billing, charges I never made, sneaky fees, interent charges at $250 hotels, etec.
#214
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,077
Anyone surprised that the hotel industry has the nerve to devalue points in the middle of a recession/depression? This is a totally out of control industry that still continues to charge more than $100 a night at every middle of nowhere hotel even those located in the middle of a filling station. The hotel scam (facilitated- sorry by business travellers who don't usually care if they are being ripped off). There are hefty redemption requirements, usually 2 or 3 hotels in the whole world in their lowest category, and a constant erosion of point value, and plenty of multi star "franchise in name only" dumps.
If anyone thinks that people are making empty threats, I was able to go from 30 nights a year at Marriott to none-I couldn't bear the bait and switch even though it was my employer that was being scammed. Now I no longer travel much and when I do the Red Roof Inn is usually fine.
As a leisure traveller, I have found the airlines to almost always be a great bargain.
The hotel folks remind me of the Sopranos- I won't even start about the double billing, charges I never made, sneaky fees, interent charges at $250 hotels, etec.
If anyone thinks that people are making empty threats, I was able to go from 30 nights a year at Marriott to none-I couldn't bear the bait and switch even though it was my employer that was being scammed. Now I no longer travel much and when I do the Red Roof Inn is usually fine.
As a leisure traveller, I have found the airlines to almost always be a great bargain.
The hotel folks remind me of the Sopranos- I won't even start about the double billing, charges I never made, sneaky fees, interent charges at $250 hotels, etec.
#215
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,077
But, worryingly, maybe Hilton/Blackstone isn’t so disappointed to lose our “let’s maximize earnings/insist on perks/jump on bonuses/minimize spending FT aficionado attitude” and just is happy to hold onto Joe “Yeah, I think I earn points with Hilton, but I don’t pay too close attention to it.”
I find it hard to believe that these kinds of devaluation decisions aren’t made without some modeling; the question is, “will this devaluation have a greater impact on income than Hilton bean counters predict?”
I find it hard to believe that these kinds of devaluation decisions aren’t made without some modeling; the question is, “will this devaluation have a greater impact on income than Hilton bean counters predict?”
Originally Posted by GUWonder
With the economic recovery and the fruits of the economic recovery, Hilton management will again find the validation it seeks in devaluing the program substantially yet again without the consequences resulting in a corporate culture shake-up. Lost customers and revenue numbers arising from this Hilton HHonors devaluation will be well hidden by the lipstick provided by an economic recovery for which Hilton management has no responsibility but the fruits of which Hilton management will claim credit anyway.
Hilton is going to continue to do this kind of thing since it's an easy way for Hilton to make the financial numbers look better and doesn't have a history of causing a substantial enough customer revolt to bother Hilton management and get them to change course.
I am just wondering if Blackstone is taking advantage of a provision in US tax policy that has allowed real estate investment trusts to use more current losses to get money from the US Treasury for taxes they paid on profits made even years earlier. [This kind of arrangement is not allowed to most individuals and corporations but it is a designer loophole that REITs -- including hotel REITS -- have exploited so as to get better treatment than that allowed to ordinary Americans.]
Last edited by GUWonder; Oct 29, 2009 at 10:35 am
#216
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Chapel Hill, NC - UA Nobody (sigh)/0.925MM, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 3,510
I've had a long-term relationship with one Hilton property in particular and I'd stay there if they didn't even give me points.
Do you value long-term relationships or points?
#217
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 93
I've been a loyal Hilton patron since 1996. Holding Diamond status since 1998 -- averaging 50 stays a year -- I've experienced more than a couple of significant point devaluations. Nevertheless I remained loyal because I felt a certain reciprocity existed: in exchange for 28 stays/60 nights Hilton extended a consistently high level of service and accommodations. That no longer is the case. Executive Lounges are closed or are a poor imitation of what they once were; upgrades are now sold rather than comp'ed; resort fees must be contested to be removed; premium perks (2 bottles of water and a bag of chips, premium?) are too often forgotten by hotel staff; and finally, the MyWay benefits which were once standard across the board are now "pick one." Since the most recent devaluation I've changed my MyWay choices, for 2010 my choice is Starwood. Fortunately I've consumed most of my accummulated points or have gifted them so after one last stay in Rome in April I will have fewer than 10,000 points in my account. Perhaps over time Starwood will also disappoint, but with matched elite status I have nothing to lose.
#218

Join Date: Aug 2005
Programs: AA Plt 3MM; UA 1K 2 MM; MR Lifetime Plat; HH Lifetime Diamond; HH Diamond; IGH Spire Ambas; SPG Gold
Posts: 2,149
Both.
I have loved certain properties and developed great relationships with hotel staff.
But when I max out on my status for a year and the hotel program doesn't have a life time elite program, I have moved to another near by property. And developed excellent relationships there.
Sad to break it to hotel chains--in general they are a commodity, especially when it comes to extended stay in dense areas.
I have loved certain properties and developed great relationships with hotel staff.
But when I max out on my status for a year and the hotel program doesn't have a life time elite program, I have moved to another near by property. And developed excellent relationships there.
Sad to break it to hotel chains--in general they are a commodity, especially when it comes to extended stay in dense areas.
#219
FlyerTalk Evangelist & Ambassador: China




Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA 1K, AA Exp, HH Dia, WOH Glob, IHG Plat, Marriott Gold, NA EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 17,494
To be on topic, I will probably still stay at Hilton, but shift more business to PC. Treatment and points are what factors this decision in the most.
#220
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: BA/AA/AS/B6/WN/ UA/HH/MR and more like 'em but most felicitously & importantly MUCCI
Posts: 19,811
This is a totally out of control industry that still continues to charge more than $100 a night at every middle of nowhere hotel even those located in the middle of a filling station. The hotel scam (facilitated- sorry by business travellers who don't usually care if they are being ripped off). There are hefty redemption requirements, usually 2 or 3 hotels in the whole world in their lowest category, and a constant erosion of point value, and plenty of multi star "franchise in name only" dumps... The hotel folks remind me of the Sopranos- I won't even start about the double billing, charges I never made, sneaky fees, interent charges at $250 hotels, etec.
I think you have to play chess with all travel and hospitality providers, I think it's naive to count any of them as your friends, but the hotel biz is only partly "out of control" because customers tolerate it. Nobody's being held hostage.
#221




Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Cheltenham
Programs: Mucci, KLM Plat for Life , BA now muddy grey, HH Silver, (Other half Diamond), IHG Gold
Posts: 2,688
Devaluing points already accumulated is mean; it would be fairer to reduce the number of points on future stays so at least one then has a choice.
#222
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Cullman, Alabama
Programs: Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold, IHG Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 648
Time to ditch Hilton
Blackstone cares Not about FT members and probably does not think the loss of business will be significant. After all, they are a Leverage Buyout Ogranization (Think Barbarians at the gate).
Devaluation was inevitable to make the balance sheet look better. HH members need to send a message Loud and Clear and switch to other programs just to draw the attention of Hilton but remember Hilton is only One of Blackstone's companies and it's goal may be to make them more profitable at the expense of frequent guests.
Devaluation was inevitable to make the balance sheet look better. HH members need to send a message Loud and Clear and switch to other programs just to draw the attention of Hilton but remember Hilton is only One of Blackstone's companies and it's goal may be to make them more profitable at the expense of frequent guests.
#223
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,077
Blackstone cares Not about FT members and probably does not think the loss of business will be significant. After all, they are a Leverage Buyout Ogranization (Think Barbarians at the gate).
Devaluation was inevitable to make the balance sheet look better. HH members need to send a message Loud and Clear and switch to other programs just to draw the attention of Hilton but remember Hilton is only One of Blackstone's companies and it's goal may be to make them more profitable at the expense of frequent guests.
Devaluation was inevitable to make the balance sheet look better. HH members need to send a message Loud and Clear and switch to other programs just to draw the attention of Hilton but remember Hilton is only One of Blackstone's companies and it's goal may be to make them more profitable at the expense of frequent guests.
#224

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Michigan
Programs: Delta basic after Gold; HHonors, Diamond; Marriott/SPG Plat; IHG/PCR Plat; Avis, Hertz
Posts: 216
I agree with everyone who thinks the value of being a HHonors member has dropped a notch. Marriott was at the bottom of my list of choices because I feel their upgrades and points program is one the worst. I have now lumped my Hilton and Marriott choices into the same category.
#225
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: STL
Programs: Hhonors Diamond, Southwest A-list Preferred, Delta Million Miler
Posts: 362
Buh Bye
Diamond level for the last 8 years, but no more! Will use my 1.3 million points for a cruise (or 2) next year. Already jumped ship with only 4 nights at Hilton in 2009. I spent the other 62 nights in 2009 at Holiday Inn Express, Starwood and some Choice properties. Buh bye HHonors......
P.S. Holiday Inn Express is 20%-30% less expensive than Hampton (in most cases), has a better breakfast, HD TV, nice shower head and double points offer thru year end.
P.S. Holiday Inn Express is 20%-30% less expensive than Hampton (in most cases), has a better breakfast, HD TV, nice shower head and double points offer thru year end.



