Oct 8, 2020, 2:27 pm
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Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
Mahalo,
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When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
May 27, 2020 | 10:29 pm
#271
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Apparently, you may be in the minority:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/05/ci...nomy-crumbles/
Headline:
(But I agree with you BTW - we can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot on the economy)
https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/05/ci...nomy-crumbles/
Headline:
Civil Beat/HNN Poll: Stop Virus Even If Economy Crumbles
(But I agree with you BTW - we can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot on the economy)
The rest of us that need to work and/or smart enough to know unemployment checks arent forever think differently.
Thats why Id like to see the results broken out.
May 27, 2020 | 10:58 pm
#272
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I wish we could see the survey broken down. Pretty much all the wealthy friends and clients I know would prefer it never opens back up, they like the reduction in traffic. However they are either wealthy or retired, with none of them reliant on the local economy. Those on welfare seem to think the government is a never ending check.
The rest of us that need to work and/or smart enough to know unemployment checks aren’t forever think differently.
Thats why I’d like to see the results broken out.
The rest of us that need to work and/or smart enough to know unemployment checks aren’t forever think differently.
Thats why I’d like to see the results broken out.
Reading the article comments, many people say that the decisions should not be just yes/no as the survey presented them; it's not a binary choice between 'virus' and 'economy', and asking 'did this work so far' isn't the same as 'should we keep doing it'. As the number of cases and available resources change over time, it's only natural that the response can change as well, hopefully to reduce the strain on the economy while still keeping a low overall risk. This idea isn't even considered by the survey.
May 28, 2020 | 5:35 am
#273
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I just cancelled my July trip to Maui - air and hotel. Really said about it but the right thing to do and didn't want to chance getting stuck in a hotel or getting sick.
May 28, 2020 | 7:25 am
#274
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May 28, 2020 | 7:44 am
#275
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Yes, it does. I suppose it could be extended, but I have a hard time believing the extra $600 will pass again as much grief as the politicians are getting for that with companies in other states struggling to get people back to work because they make more on unemployment. I would think the unemployed in Hawaii would need/want their jobs to be back in place prior to the end of July, which would mean opening up tourism and ending the quarantine well before then.
May 28, 2020 | 10:31 am
#276
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A major regression and outbreak in the islands will be politically devastating to whoever is in charge. Some mainland states are still increasing - not even in the flattening stage. I just dont see Hawaii lifting quarantine with the disease as rampant as it still is. Maybe if things improve quickly it could lift in August/September timeframe, otherwise my money would be on October/November.
May 28, 2020 | 10:56 am
#277
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A major regression and outbreak in the islands will be politically devastating to whoever is in charge. Some mainland states are still increasing - not even in the flattening stage. I just don’t see Hawaii lifting quarantine with the disease as rampant as it still is. Maybe if things improve quickly it could lift in August/September timeframe, otherwise my money would be on October/November.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...urism-resumes/
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May 28, 2020 | 11:28 am
#278
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To be fair my home state of California is also losing out as vacation owners are loathe to accept VRBO reservations in violation of current county and state mandates.
May 28, 2020 | 11:52 am
#279
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A major regression and outbreak in the islands will be politically devastating to whoever is in charge. Some mainland states are still increasing - not even in the flattening stage. I just dont see Hawaii lifting quarantine with the disease as rampant as it still is. Maybe if things improve quickly it could lift in August/September timeframe, otherwise my money would be on October/November.
I resent this "we are in this together - please don't come to my village but send more money" attitude of HI leaders - it made sense for a couple months but i don't think they can get away with it for much longer...
My guess is July ease of key restrictions (eg 14 d)... if Cyprus and Greece can manage so should HI...
May 28, 2020 | 12:40 pm
#280
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May 28, 2020 | 5:02 pm
#281
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A major regression and outbreak in the islands will be politically devastating to whoever is in charge. Some mainland states are still increasing - not even in the flattening stage. I just dont see Hawaii lifting quarantine with the disease as rampant as it still is. Maybe if things improve quickly it could lift in August/September timeframe, otherwise my money would be on October/November.
May 28, 2020 | 5:27 pm
#282
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Montana has very similar numbers and they pretty much fully open on jun 1 and allow yellowstone access. Schools have been in session for weeks already there.
May 28, 2020 | 5:43 pm
#283
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Montana and Hawaii have some very different numbers that I think should be part of the calculation:
From https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org
Look at the concentration of people living in the urban core; look at the small number of hospitals... If there's an outbreak in Montana, what would the transmission rate be where the population is spread out over a huge area versus a state with a huge concentration on a single small island?
From https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org
Montana covers 145,552 square miles, with a 2019 estimated population of 1,068,778 people – 694,966 living in rural Montana (USDA-ERS). According to data.HRSA.gov, as of January 2020 Montana had:
- 49 Critical Access Hospitals
- 58 Rural Health Clinics
- 52 Federally Qualified Health Center sites located outside of Urbanized Areas
- 8 short term hospitals located outside of Urbanized Areas
Hawaii ... covers 6,423 square miles, with a 2019 estimated population of 1,415,872 people – 273,806 living in rural Hawaii (USDA-ERS). According to data.HRSA.gov, as of January 2020 Hawaii had:
- 9 Critical Access Hospitals
- 11 Rural Health Clinics
- 26 Federally Qualified Health Center sites located outside of Urbanized Areas
- 4 short term hospitals located outside of Urbanized Areas
May 28, 2020 | 5:44 pm
#284
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I hope you are wrong and I am looking at a July 1 lift on the quarantine and purchasing REFUNDABLE tickets tonight. I know some hotels have opened reservation beginning July 1 in anticipation of this. Obviously if they extend it they would refund any deposits should they even be taking them. Alas, I should have never left the Island.....
May 28, 2020 | 5:51 pm
#285
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Anyone booking for Dec/Jan? With every trip in my future canceled, I am feeling very antsy to book something.