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Old May 15, 2020 | 9:48 pm
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I think ajf87 agrees with you on the ludicrousness. Notice the quotation marks.
LOL.... I guess that's what I get for reading too fast. My bad .
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Old May 15, 2020 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by dhuey
Likewise, I've been trying to take advantage of the tiny upside of the pandemic where I live: barely any traffic or tourists. I can drive into San Francisco without a moment of traffic delay, and I can park on the street just about anywhere. I drive during what was once afternoon rush hour to take a walk on Treasure Island. I doubt I'll ever see anything like this again in my lifetime.
I can do this too and have done it. But a staycation is never the same as a vacation - too many distractions at home, and home is now my office (which has never been the case for me).

If the Governor said Hawaii will re-open June 30 barring a spike in new cases that would at least allow people to make travel plans (see e.g. Iceland). But he's basically taking the same course as we've seen in many other places - quarantine for an undefined period with no end date. Eventually the courts will put an end to this strategy (as they have done in Wisconsin) but until then no vacations in Maui. Even California - which was an early adopter of the shutdown strategy - is opening counties outside of the Bay Area and LA. We will see how that works.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 3:25 am
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Originally Posted by mtofell
I must be confused about what country I am in..... this sounds like something that would be required in Iran. I'm fine quarantining when I return to the islands but if you're planning on keeping me out of MY HOUSE you'd better come well armed.
I would think that people enforcing quarantine will be armed.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
For now, vacationers must stay in a state approved hotel room under lock down, basically getting dominoes delivered.
Meal delivery options in Honolulu are fantastic these days. Because so many places now offer takeout or delivery, which did not offer these options before, I feel like I have a million more delivery options than before, even considering the fact that some restaurants are closed. In the past few weeks, I've used Seamless, DoorDash, BiteSquad, Uber Eats, and even Tock (Tock is configured for take-out, but you can request delivery in certain cases). There may be many reasons why people dislike the idea of quarantine here in Honolulu, but it won't be for lack of high quality and varied meal delivery options. You can even get cocktails and bottles of booze delivered now -- it's great!
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Old May 16, 2020 | 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by ExpatExp
Meal delivery options in Honolulu are fantastic these days. Because so many places now offer takeout or delivery, which did not offer these options before, I feel like I have a million more delivery options than before, even considering the fact that some restaurants are closed. In the past few weeks, I've used Seamless, DoorDash, BiteSquad, Uber Eats, and even Tock (Tock is configured for take-out, but you can request delivery in certain cases). There may be many reasons why people dislike the idea of quarantine here in Honolulu, but it won't be for lack of high quality and varied meal delivery options. You can even get cocktails and bottles of booze delivered now -- it's great!
Safeway does delivery as well.
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Old May 18, 2020 | 2:05 pm
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I was supposed to be arriving today for a 3 weeks vacation and a bit of house hunting. Needless to say, we rescheduled it to later in the year and I have my doubts I will be able to go at that time.
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Old May 18, 2020 | 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Mary2e
I was supposed to be arriving today for a 3 weeks vacation and a bit of house hunting. Needless to say, we rescheduled it to later in the year and I have my doubts I will be able to go at that time.
I just can't imagine that this can go on much more than end of July/August? I hope at least.
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Old May 18, 2020 | 2:34 pm
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I agree. But I have to trust the airlines will do the right thing. I'm going to have to hop across the country and stopping overnight in each direction, so if this doesn't settle down and the country starts meeting the guidelines, I won't feel comfortable making that long a trip. I wish I could take the non-stop, but I'll have my small dog with me and he can't hold it for 11 hours. [yes, I put all the paperwork in to Hawaii Ag 2 weeks before we locked down - I have a lot of $$$ into this non-trip]
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Old May 18, 2020 | 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by 747FC
I'm sure that you are a very talented and smart person, but your constant questioning about this reality is very confusing to me. You should know that beaches are public, so NO you cannot go to the beach. And yes, you have to have your food delivered.
Some here (on FT) and elsewhere have actually stated that you could NOT have your food even delivered! Yes, I did think that was obviously absurd but it has actually been posted and quite honestly I didn't believe it. I should also note where I live on the Big Island delivery services are non existent anyhow necessitating my going shopping for food on own. I am sure I am not the only one with this issue. Hawaii is not Honolulu...
In regards to the beaches being public, yes legally ALL beaches are public in Hawaii, however, without going into specific I know of and have friends and family who own beach front property and have returned to the Island. I can tell you they have/did definitely using the beach during the "quarantine" period. Having said that, while again it is legal to use the beach behind their property in practice no one does. Also, given the large open area allowed to them the chance of contamination in that environment is probably near zero. Just say'n and not looking for a discussion on whether it is justifiable or not, everyone has an opinion on that.
On a separate and disappointing issue it appears the quarantine has now been officially extended to July 1. I plan on returning in July regardless of a quarantine and just biting the bullet as I now have critical issue to attend to business and otherwise that cannot wait any longer.

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Old May 18, 2020 | 7:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Mary2e
I was supposed to be arriving today for a 3 weeks vacation and a bit of house hunting. Needless to say, we rescheduled it to later in the year and I have my doubts I will be able to go at that time.
So were we! All parts of our trip were cancelled: flight, cruise, and Hawaii. We hope to reschedule for sometime, but it probably won't be this year.
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Old May 19, 2020 | 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by ajf87
It's pretty shocking at this point, the entitlement and willful ignorance. This is part of the reason why there is simmering tension between native and local Hawaiians and privileged, wealthy mainlanders and foreign tourists who own vacation homes (and thus help contribute to the state's housing crisis). That any property owner considers the beach in front of the beachfront property as their "own" is pretty arrogant and not grounded in reality. The beaches in Hawaii are all public, regardless of how much money you paid for your view.
Just to be clear and I am not assuming that this comment was directed at me. I don't own a "vacation home" in Hawaii, I have lived on the Big Island for now for almost 12 years with a ONCE thriving business. Alas no longer so thriving. My wife's family has lived on the Big Island for nearly 50 years. My home is NOT water front. Also, anybody who property on the beach in Hawaii should know well that the state law states that the beaches are ALL public. Whether or not it is proper for a beach front property owner to wonder out of his/her yard onto to the beach during his/her quarantine period is a discussion for others to take part in as far as I am concerned. Personally I don't have a dog in that fight.
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Old May 19, 2020 | 12:00 pm
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I don't have a horse in this race but I will point out the following very very important point.

Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.

So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
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Old May 19, 2020 | 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by usedtobeimportant
I don't have a horse in this race but I will point out the following very very important point.

Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.

So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
However, when you have a significant population of individuals who don't have jobs or livelihoods and massive business failures because of these restrictions, you start getting long term group pain very quickly.
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Old May 19, 2020 | 3:02 pm
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I see that on May 18th, the governor of Hawaii Officially extended the traveler quarantine that he referenced he would be extending per the posts earlier
"..David Ige today signed the 8th supplemental emergency proclamation, extending the 14-day quarantine for travelers arriving in the State of Hawaii, as well as for inter-island travelers through June 30." The extension also continues to ban rental car companies and Uber/Lyft from providing service to travelers that are subject to the quarantine.

I still have my DFW-OGG-DFW flights on 8JUN and 15JUN -- wondering when AA will cancel. I can't see them actually operating this flight in June.

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Old May 19, 2020 | 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by usedtobeimportant
Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
That does not appear to be universally true. For example, Japan has not exercised stringent quarantines (self-isolation only applies to citizens and visitors arriving or returning from certain countries), has not closed down businesses or restaurants, no nationwide lockdowns have been declared, nor has it conducted extensive virus testing (in fact, government policy does not encourage it), and children have been going to school (although Japan was one of the first countries to close schools, which it did for the entire month of March, they have since reopened) and yet it only has 6 deaths per million inhabitants compared to 4 deaths per million inhabitants in New Zealand and Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-..._and_territory.) On April 7, the government declared a state of emergency to fight new COVID-19 infections in major population centers targetting the capital Tokyo and six other prefectures for a period of about one month. Per a news report, "The emergency gives governors the authority to call on people to stay at home and businesses to close. With no penalties for ignoring the requests in most cases, enforcement will rely more on peer pressure and respect for authority." As you can see, these are pretty informal emergency measures with no lockdown, and people continue to work, though some work from home instead of the office. Actually, most US states have been implementing much stricter measures in general than in Japan, but with far worse results. Living in Japan (though not in Tokyo), I can say that not that much has changed and life goes on pretty much uninterrupted, and it does not seem that social distancing is well maintained by people in general. At the end of March, when I was in Tokyo for a few days, the subways were still fairly crowded and not everyone wore masks. If you go to the link above, you'll notice many other countries with similar or lower deaths per inhabitants than in New Zealand and Australia, but I don't know what countermeasures they are taking, but I do think that Japan is an exception to your assertion that stringent quarantines have eradicated COVID-19, it seems other factors are also at play.

An interesting quote on Wikipedia explains why Japan's measures are not so strict: "
Under the law, the Japanese government does not have the authority to enforce citywide lockdowns. Apart from individual quarantine measures, officials cannot restrict the movement of people in order to contain the virus. Consequently, compliance with government requests to restrict movements is based on "asking for public cooperation to protect peoples lives and minimize further damage to [the economy]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...demic_in_Japan. It seems that Japanese civil liberties outstrip those of US citizens, at least as it pertains to the virus.
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