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When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
#182
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Likewise, I've been trying to take advantage of the tiny upside of the pandemic where I live: barely any traffic or tourists. I can drive into San Francisco without a moment of traffic delay, and I can park on the street just about anywhere. I drive during what was once afternoon rush hour to take a walk on Treasure Island. I doubt I'll ever see anything like this again in my lifetime.
If the Governor said Hawaii will re-open June 30 barring a spike in new cases that would at least allow people to make travel plans (see e.g. Iceland). But he's basically taking the same course as we've seen in many other places - quarantine for an undefined period with no end date. Eventually the courts will put an end to this strategy (as they have done in Wisconsin) but until then no vacations in Maui. Even California - which was an early adopter of the shutdown strategy - is opening counties outside of the Bay Area and LA. We will see how that works.
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I would think that people enforcing quarantine will be armed.
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Meal delivery options in Honolulu are fantastic these days. Because so many places now offer takeout or delivery, which did not offer these options before, I feel like I have a million more delivery options than before, even considering the fact that some restaurants are closed. In the past few weeks, I've used Seamless, DoorDash, BiteSquad, Uber Eats, and even Tock (Tock is configured for take-out, but you can request delivery in certain cases). There may be many reasons why people dislike the idea of quarantine here in Honolulu, but it won't be for lack of high quality and varied meal delivery options. You can even get cocktails and bottles of booze delivered now -- it's great!
#185


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Meal delivery options in Honolulu are fantastic these days. Because so many places now offer takeout or delivery, which did not offer these options before, I feel like I have a million more delivery options than before, even considering the fact that some restaurants are closed. In the past few weeks, I've used Seamless, DoorDash, BiteSquad, Uber Eats, and even Tock (Tock is configured for take-out, but you can request delivery in certain cases). There may be many reasons why people dislike the idea of quarantine here in Honolulu, but it won't be for lack of high quality and varied meal delivery options. You can even get cocktails and bottles of booze delivered now -- it's great!
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I was supposed to be arriving today for a 3 weeks vacation and a bit of house hunting. Needless to say, we rescheduled it to later in the year and I have my doubts I will be able to go at that time.
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I just can't imagine that this can go on much more than end of July/August? I hope at least.
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I agree. But I have to trust the airlines will do the right thing. I'm going to have to hop across the country and stopping overnight in each direction, so if this doesn't settle down and the country starts meeting the guidelines, I won't feel comfortable making that long a trip. I wish I could take the non-stop, but I'll have my small dog with me and he can't hold it for 11 hours. [yes, I put all the paperwork in to Hawaii Ag 2 weeks before we locked down - I have a lot of $$$ into this non-trip]
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In regards to the beaches being public, yes legally ALL beaches are public in Hawaii, however, without going into specific I know of and have friends and family who own beach front property and have returned to the Island. I can tell you they have/did definitely using the beach during the "quarantine" period. Having said that, while again it is legal to use the beach behind their property in practice no one does. Also, given the large open area allowed to them the chance of contamination in that environment is probably near zero. Just say'n and not looking for a discussion on whether it is justifiable or not, everyone has an opinion on that.
On a separate and disappointing issue it appears the quarantine has now been officially extended to July 1. I plan on returning in July regardless of a quarantine and just biting the bullet as I now have critical issue to attend to business and otherwise that cannot wait any longer.
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We hope to reschedule for sometime, but it probably won't be this year.
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It's pretty shocking at this point, the entitlement and willful ignorance. This is part of the reason why there is simmering tension between native and local Hawaiians and privileged, wealthy mainlanders and foreign tourists who own vacation homes (and thus help contribute to the state's housing crisis). That any property owner considers the beach in front of the beachfront property as their "own" is pretty arrogant and not grounded in reality. The beaches in Hawaii are all public, regardless of how much money you paid for your view.
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I don't have a horse in this race but I will point out the following very very important point.
Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
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I don't have a horse in this race but I will point out the following very very important point.
Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
So I think its individual short term pain for long term group gain.
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I see that on May 18th, the governor of Hawaii Officially extended the traveler quarantine that he referenced he would be extending per the posts earlier
"..David Ige today signed the 8th supplemental emergency proclamation, extending the 14-day quarantine for travelers arriving in the State of Hawaii, as well as for inter-island travelers through June 30." The extension also continues to ban rental car companies and Uber/Lyft from providing service to travelers that are subject to the quarantine.
I still have my DFW-OGG-DFW flights on 8JUN and 15JUN -- wondering when AA will cancel. I can't see them actually operating this flight in June.
"..David Ige today signed the 8th supplemental emergency proclamation, extending the 14-day quarantine for travelers arriving in the State of Hawaii, as well as for inter-island travelers through June 30." The extension also continues to ban rental car companies and Uber/Lyft from providing service to travelers that are subject to the quarantine.
I still have my DFW-OGG-DFW flights on 8JUN and 15JUN -- wondering when AA will cancel. I can't see them actually operating this flight in June.
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Those countries that have exercised extremely stringent quarantine results (i.e. 14 days self isolation in a hotel room even if your a returning citizen) have essentially eradicated COVID19 in a few months. I know personally of Australia and New Zealand who have not started to reopen schools.
An interesting quote on Wikipedia explains why Japan's measures are not so strict: "Under the law, the Japanese government does not have the authority to enforce citywide lockdowns. Apart from individual quarantine measures, officials cannot restrict the movement of people in order to contain the virus. Consequently, compliance with government requests to restrict movements is based on "asking for public cooperation to protect peoples lives and minimize further damage to [the economy]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...demic_in_Japan. It seems that Japanese civil liberties outstrip those of US citizens, at least as it pertains to the virus.
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