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Old Feb 7, 2016, 11:25 pm
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Next you might tell us TOMS is a charity too I suppose, no?
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Old Feb 7, 2016, 11:58 pm
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Originally Posted by RFDMinnesota
KIVA charity lending team?

I find mentioning KIVA as charity to be a rather dubious claim
Only the blackjack tournament is a charity event.

FTU charity Blackjack Tournament
Why would that be dubious, RFDMinnesota?
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 12:14 am
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Originally Posted by RFDMinnesota
Next you might tell us TOMS is a charity too I suppose, no?
Shhh... the FTEF is a charity too.
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Shhh... the FTEF is a charity too.
I believe it is a non-profit. Not all non-profits are charities, but that is not my area of expertise.

I do know for a fact, that the FTU Blackjack Tournament is 100% for charity (after cost expenses). So, I can only speak to that. Since, well, I prefer to speak to things I can speak to with 100% authority.
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 1:57 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I believe it is a non-profit. Not all non-profits are charities, but that is not my area of expertise.
The FTEF is a 501 (c) (3) non-profit charitable organization.

https://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-...-Organizations

Exemption Requirements - 501(c)(3) Organizations

To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. [...]
Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. [...]
The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.
AFAIK the FTEF is also '100% for charity (after cost expenses)'
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 2:04 am
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oliver2002, there was a DIRECT question about the Blackjack Tournament. I answered that question directly.

I also said :
"I believe it is a non-profit."

I also was very transparent in saying that that is not my area of expertise, and that I was NOT speaking to that.

I was very specific, in my response, which was :

"Only the blackjack tournament is a charity event."

I do not believe I am misleading you or anyone else, with my answer. I would suggest, if you want to have a "general" conversation vis-a-vis FTEF and it's tax status that you start a new thread with regard to this.

or to clarify, the only charity event being referenced (above) was the blackjack tournament.

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Old Feb 8, 2016, 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I do not believe I am misleading you or anyone else, with my answer. I would suggest, if you want to have a "general" conversation vis-a-vis FTEF and it's tax status that you start a new thread with regard to this.

or to clarify, the only charity event being referenced (above) was the blackjack tournament.
There is a thread on the FTEF already. The FTU event advertised in this thread is organized and operated by the FTEF. Thus by definition one can most certainly assume the same standards will apply.
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
There is a thread on the FTEF already. The FTU event advertised in this thread is organized and operated by the FTEF. Thus by definition one can most certainly assume the same standards will apply.
Yes, but the charity reference in this post was SPECIFICALLY to the blackjack tournament. So, it's probably best to move the conversation about overall charitable status of the FTEF and such to the other master thread. That was my point.

You have brought the thread off topic oliver2002, I do not mind the references but that conversation should be in the other thread you reference. If someone was concerned about the charitable aspects of the Blackjack Tournament, I can answer those directly. And, I would be more than happy to answer those questions directly and as transparently as possible.
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 8:35 pm
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What is a "Signature" event and why is it different from Advanced or whatever other names they are called by these days? Agenda seems to be mostly the same people as all the others.

Beyond that, a blackjack tournament rather than poker??
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 9:02 pm
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Maybe more people play 21? Or people like to beat the house but not other players (friends?)

Originally Posted by sbm12
What is a "Signature" event and why is it different from Advanced or whatever other names they are called by these days? Agenda seems to be mostly the same people as all the others.

Beyond that, a blackjack tournament rather than poker??
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
What is a "Signature" event and why is it different from Advanced or whatever other names they are called by these days? Agenda seems to be mostly the same people as all the others.
Beginner, Advanced and Manufactured Spend Sessions, will be part of this event.

Some more details, since people have been asking about MS and how things are going to be arranged at this FTU.

The all-day Manufactured Spend boot camp intensive is sold out, but fear not. For those with interest in MS, there are still sessions on the latest and greatest Manufactured Spend opportunities on both Saturday and Sunday that are included with the FTU Signature Event. Instead of spending the entire day on just one subject, there will be two 1 ½ hour sessions over two days and it also gives you the opportunity to attend a variety of the other sessions available during the weekend. There will be 3 sessions running concurrently during the day so attendees at the FTU Signature Event will be spoilt for choice. Plus, not every session is repeated at every FTU so there is bound to be something new for those who have attended FTU's before.
Sample sessions include:

— What is it like to live in hotels full time?
— Finding Cheap Premium Fares
— Introduction to Mileage Running: Costs and Benefits
— International Upgrade Methods and Strategies
— Using ExpertFlyer
— Live Award Bookings
— Advanced booking techniques for revenue tickets
— Non-traditional awards and miles
Originally Posted by farbster
Maybe more people play 21? Or people like to beat the house but not other players (friends?)
Originally Posted by sbm12
Beyond that, a blackjack tournament rather than poker??
Blackjack is MORE INCLUSIVE. We want everyone (non-gaming peeps) who has interest to be able to play. Poker is very intimidating to people who have never played cards and/or played cards in a casino tournament. Remember, we have REAL DEALERS and this is a REAL tournament. It will be run just as any casino tournament event would be. If you can count to 21 you can play blackjack, though never a bad thing to read up on "proper" tournament strategy.

Hey, I rather have a baccarat tournament. But, I digress.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
Beginner, Advanced and Manufactured Spend Sessions, will be part of this event.
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The mix of this:
Plus, not every session is repeated at every FTU so there is bound to be something new for those who have attended FTU's before.
And then a list of sample sessions which are all repeats of ones which have been offered many times before is interesting marketing.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
What is a "Signature" event and why is it different from Advanced or whatever other names they are called by these days? Agenda seems to be mostly the same people as all the others.
It's an odd term to use, as IME, 'signature event' refers to a charity's major fundraising event in a given year and is meant to be very unique. Then again, as Oliver points out, the FTEF is a nonprofit, and according to their 990s the FTUs are their main fundraising events! Uniqueness...hey, as Meatloaf said, 2 out of 3 ain't bad!

Beyond that, a blackjack tournament rather than poker??
The target market is noobs. All way 'round.

'Cause that's where the money is. @:-)

PS, isn't the InsideFlyer Kiva charity Lending Team pretty much the original manufactured spending vehicle!?

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Old Feb 10, 2016, 9:03 pm
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PS, isn't the InsideFlyer Kiva charity Lending Team pretty much the original manufactured spending vehicle!?
And, I believe, collapsing as Kiva isn't paying out as quickly as it once did or something like that.
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
And, I believe, collapsing as Kiva isn't paying out as quickly as it once did or something like that.
All MS is collapsing. I'm shocked they are able to fill a whole day talking about it. Would love to see the agenda for that day but can't find it posted anywhere.
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