Sep 14, 2017, 7:20 am
Last edit by: Flame3601
Information on Load requests
The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.
The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.
Flight Load Check request
Jun 21, 2019 | 6:47 am
#676
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 10,043
Jun 21, 2019 | 6:52 am
#677
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
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Jun 21, 2019 | 7:21 am
#678
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 10,043
However, the 1st (and other) dates in July availability is still showing O7 H7 but only Business Flex and Flex Plus available on the EK site, so no O Class. What am I missing regards these O results, as things seem to show a fare published and availability?
Jun 21, 2019 | 7:46 am
#679
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
So for H, why isn't the availability just set to zero to present a less misleading picture? I suppose availability algorithms are saying if there was an H fare we should be selling it.
However, the 1st (and other) dates in July availability is still showing O7 H7 but only Business Flex and Flex Plus available on the EK site, so no O Class. What am I missing regards these O results, as things seem to show a fare published and availability?
However, the 1st (and other) dates in July availability is still showing O7 H7 but only Business Flex and Flex Plus available on the EK site, so no O Class. What am I missing regards these O results, as things seem to show a fare published and availability?
No idea about H availability. I mean EK probably don't think about retail customers seeing H available and being confused. It's a two-fold control on revenue and possibly independent departments as well. Also H might be available because it's needed for other fare combinations or for just GLA-DXB etc. While married segment logic should be intelligent enough to filter it out perhaps it isn't.
Jun 21, 2019 | 1:57 pm
#680
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Manchester/London
Programs: Skywards Plat, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 1,303
Seems odd that Business Specials would be available but no Business Savers.
sleepy_jean - With only 2 days to go these numbers may jump around a lot. For example, I'm seeing no economy class available now, just 6 hours after skywardhunter's post, and although I use a different system to check they usually give the same figures. That seems more promising for you, but you just never know until you have a J boarding pass in your hand.
I was in a similar position ex SYD a few months ago and ended up taking a discounted miles offer to ensure Business Class to DXB.
sleepy_jean - With only 2 days to go these numbers may jump around a lot. For example, I'm seeing no economy class available now, just 6 hours after skywardhunter's post, and although I use a different system to check they usually give the same figures. That seems more promising for you, but you just never know until you have a J boarding pass in your hand.
I was in a similar position ex SYD a few months ago and ended up taking a discounted miles offer to ensure Business Class to DXB.
Jun 23, 2019 | 3:51 pm
#685
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 30
Hi appreciate if someone could please check this flight, Y and J thanks:
Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK164 (DUB to DXB, departing 24/6) and EK412 (DXB to SYD, departs 25/6)
Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK164 (DUB to DXB, departing 24/6) and EK412 (DXB to SYD, departs 25/6)
Jul 2, 2019 | 7:17 am
#686
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Dubai
Programs: EK Gold
Posts: 213
Expert Flyer - Help
A question for those more knowledgeable / versed in expert flyer.
Am looking at flights to BKK over the next couple of days and the following scenarios are coming up:
1. Flight is zeroed out in Y / 4 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
2. Flight is showing Y5 E5 R5 W5M5 B5 U0 K0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0/ 10 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
Is there a particular way to decipher availability vs seat map?
I know it was briefly discussed here earlier, but is the assumption that EK will op-up PAX to the extra leg-room seats rather than selling them as standard revenue seats?
Am looking at flights to BKK over the next couple of days and the following scenarios are coming up:
1. Flight is zeroed out in Y / 4 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
2. Flight is showing Y5 E5 R5 W5M5 B5 U0 K0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0/ 10 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
Is there a particular way to decipher availability vs seat map?
I know it was briefly discussed here earlier, but is the assumption that EK will op-up PAX to the extra leg-room seats rather than selling them as standard revenue seats?
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Jul 2, 2019 | 7:35 am
#687
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
A question for those more knowledgeable / versed in expert flyer.
Am looking at flights to BKK over the next couple of days and the following scenarios are coming up:
1. Flight is zeroed out in Y / 4 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
2. Flight is showing Y5 E5 R5 W5M5 B5 U0 K0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0/ 10 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
Is there a particular way to decipher availability vs seat map?
I know it was briefly discussed here earlier, but is the assumption that EK will op-up PAX to the extra leg-room seats rather than selling them as standard revenue seats?
Am looking at flights to BKK over the next couple of days and the following scenarios are coming up:
1. Flight is zeroed out in Y / 4 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
2. Flight is showing Y5 E5 R5 W5M5 B5 U0 K0 Q0 L0 T0 V0 X0/ 10 seats + multiple paid seats showing in the seat map / EK only offering Business class to purchase on their app
Is there a particular way to decipher availability vs seat map?
I know it was briefly discussed here earlier, but is the assumption that EK will op-up PAX to the extra leg-room seats rather than selling them as standard revenue seats?
We have no knowledge over which pax will be op-upped other than the existing knowledge that priority is Plats, then Flex Plus sub-ranked by status, then Flex, and so on. I don't know if they just assign the seats randomly or follow an actual priority ranking process for extra legroom seats. I would decline if offered and if moved without being asked I'd make quite a stink. I think those seats suck.
Jul 2, 2019 | 7:39 am
#688
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Dubai
Programs: EK Gold
Posts: 213
And I guess time will tell re: how EK play those revenue seats.
Jul 2, 2019 | 10:56 am
#689
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
In J and F seat maps are more accurate of course, though with the new H (Special) fares in J they will become less accurate
Jul 5, 2019 | 3:41 am
#690
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 4
7 days out from my flight home. More interested in just knowing how full my flight is. Looks pretty full based on seat reservations. As I have no hopes for a last minute upgrade, I'd love to maintain some hope of a seat next to be being empty.
EK 237
July 12, 2019
DXB to BOS
EK 237
July 12, 2019
DXB to BOS
Last edited by soontobeformerexpat; Jul 5, 2019 at 3:42 am Reason: added info