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Information on Load requests
The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.

The number of seats for sale for a flight are available via ExpertFlyer.com, a subscription-based service with a 5-day free trial. A subscription is $9.99/month and can be enabled and disabled any time. It is encouraged to subscribe rather than post repeatedly in this thread.
NB: Op-up changes or overselling of a flight cannot be determined with certainty from this information, only inferred to be more or less probable.
For a once-off load request please follow these guidelines:
Flight loads >7 days out are not very useful, as the airline could still sell many seats, unless availability of a specific fare bucket (e.g. Business Saver upgrade) is requested. If you wish to know the general flight load please don't post >7 days before departure.
When requesting a load please provide the following information:
- Date of flight (departure date)
- Flight Number
- Origin
- Destination
These four fields are mandatory in searching on ExpertFlyer (see screenshot below) and it isn't fair to except those who pay for their subscriptions to also have to go look up which cities a specific flight number is from and to (also some flight numbers are onward flights (5th freedom routes, e.g. CMB-MLE) and loads will differ significantly depending on which sector of the flight is checked.

Flight Load Check request
#647




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
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O7 is interesting, those are Saver fares, maybe worth checking what the upgrade cost is. There are also some of the new Business Special fares available (H fare, click for more info). The discounted upgrade offers come out of the P bucket, which is currently 0. What's interesting to note is that in my experience if P>0 you can consistently force receiving an upgrade offer by performing the online check-in via a desktop computer on the main emirates.com website (not the mobile site and not the app). But since P=0 right now there will be no offers for anyone at this stage.
For the future please keep in mind that we have a dedicated thread for requesting flight loads: Flight Load Check request
O7 is interesting, those are Saver fares, maybe worth checking what the upgrade cost is. There are also some of the new Business Special fares available (H fare, click for more info). The discounted upgrade offers come out of the P bucket, which is currently 0. What's interesting to note is that in my experience if P>0 you can consistently force receiving an upgrade offer by performing the online check-in via a desktop computer on the main emirates.com website (not the mobile site and not the app). But since P=0 right now there will be no offers for anyone at this stage.
For the future please keep in mind that we have a dedicated thread for requesting flight loads: Flight Load Check request
#649




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
#651




Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 164
Spoke to emirates customer services and it appears that the fare bucket my ticket is in means I would have to upgrade to an economy fare eligible for upgrade, then upgrade to business. It was approx Ł800 for the outbound flight, which is a little steep for me for this flight.
Not to worry, thanks for the help.
Not to worry, thanks for the help.
#652
Ambassador: Emirates Airlines
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 19,835
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O7 is interesting, those are Saver fares, maybe worth checking what the upgrade cost is. There are also some of the new Business Special fares available (H fare, click for more info). The discounted upgrade offers come out of the P bucket, which is currently 0. What's interesting to note is that in my experience if P>0 you can consistently force receiving an upgrade offer by performing the online check-in via a desktop computer on the main emirates.com website (not the mobile site and not the app). But since P=0 right now there will be no offers for anyone at this stage.
For the future please keep in mind that we have a dedicated thread for requesting flight loads: Flight Load Check request
O7 is interesting, those are Saver fares, maybe worth checking what the upgrade cost is. There are also some of the new Business Special fares available (H fare, click for more info). The discounted upgrade offers come out of the P bucket, which is currently 0. What's interesting to note is that in my experience if P>0 you can consistently force receiving an upgrade offer by performing the online check-in via a desktop computer on the main emirates.com website (not the mobile site and not the app). But since P=0 right now there will be no offers for anyone at this stage.
For the future please keep in mind that we have a dedicated thread for requesting flight loads: Flight Load Check request
#653




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
While the inventory exists I am unable to find any actual fares files for that fare bucket, so looks like that's not happened yet. I see two H fares files for DXB-MAN:
- Advance purchase of 5 days
- Min stay of 3 days.
- No stopovers, period.
- Date restricted that the fares are eligible
- Changes permitted any time for Dhs800
- Cancellation anytime for Dhs1600
- No show before departure Dhs3200 (base fare is Dhs2500 for reference)
- Change fee waived for upgrade to higher cabin (standard)
No mention re chauffeur, lounge or seat restrictions in the fare rules, but that doesn't mean much. Actually surprised the permit refund and changes.
Last edited by skywardhunter; Jun 13, 2019 at 11:31 am
#654


Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MAN DXB ✈️
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 6,933
#655
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 30
Appreciate if someone could please check these 2 flights. Flying Gold status + Flex Plus so hoping for an op-up!
Also, could someone pls explain the search results or provide a link to an explanation as I thought the numbers were referring to available seat numbers but now I’m not so sure? thanks
Wednesday, 19 Jun
Sydney (SYD) to Dublin (DUB) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave SYDNEY 06:00 Arrive DUBLIN 20:10
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 5 mins
Flight number EK415
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Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK412
Also, could someone pls explain the search results or provide a link to an explanation as I thought the numbers were referring to available seat numbers but now I’m not so sure? thanks
Wednesday, 19 Jun
Sydney (SYD) to Dublin (DUB) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave SYDNEY 06:00 Arrive DUBLIN 20:10
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 5 mins
Flight number EK415
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Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK412
#656




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
Appreciate if someone could please check these 2 flights. Flying Gold status + Flex Plus so hoping for an op-up!
Also, could someone pls explain the search results or provide a link to an explanation as I thought the numbers were referring to available seat numbers but now I’m not so sure? thanks
Wednesday, 19 Jun
Sydney (SYD) to Dublin (DUB) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave SYDNEY 06:00 Arrive DUBLIN 20:10
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 5 mins
Flight number EK415
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK412
Also, could someone pls explain the search results or provide a link to an explanation as I thought the numbers were referring to available seat numbers but now I’m not so sure? thanks
Wednesday, 19 Jun
Sydney (SYD) to Dublin (DUB) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave SYDNEY 06:00 Arrive DUBLIN 20:10
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 5 mins
Flight number EK415
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monday, 24 Jun
Dublin (DUB) to Sydney (SYD) via Dubai (DXB)
Leave DUB 22:25 Arrive SYD 06:05 (Weds, 26 June)
Connection: Dubai Duration: 1 hr 25 mins
Flight number EK412
The numbers are availability in each fare bucket, but are not cumulative within a class. I.e. in the above example you can buy 6 (or more, it's always a minimum number) seats in full fare Y (Flex Plus) OR 6 or more in Y Flex (B). If you buy 3 tickets in B then all other fare buckets decrease by 3 as well.
In Y EK will Show availability as high as 9, so the fact they show 6 for this flight indicates it's quite full. Also the fact they're only selling down to B. The flight is likely already lightly oversold (less than 10 over).
in J EK will Show availability up to 7, which is what they're still showing. This doesn't mean the cabin is empty though, it's probably well loaded but not full, 50-70%, but that's a less educated guess than Y.
F availability is displayed as a maximum of 4, which is what's available here. For J and F the seat maps are better indicators of load than in Y, where it's meaningless. Though with J Specials coming into the market this may change
#657
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 30
You don't mention which class you're in or which flight to DUB. But 415 on the 19th Y6 down to B6, J7 to I7 and F4 A4. They're selling 6 or more tickets in mid-level Flex or higher in Y.
The numbers are availability in each fare bucket, but are not cumulative within a class. I.e. in the above example you can buy 6 (or more, it's always a minimum number) seats in full fare Y (Flex Plus) OR 6 or more in Y Flex (B). If you buy 3 tickets in B then all other fare buckets decrease by 3 as well.
In Y EK will Show availability as high as 9, so the fact they show 6 for this flight indicates it's quite full. Also the fact they're only selling down to B. The flight is likely already lightly oversold (less than 10 over).
in J EK will Show availability up to 7, which is what they're still showing. This doesn't mean the cabin is empty though, it's probably well loaded but not full, 50-70%, but that's a less educated guess than Y.
F availability is displayed as a maximum of 4, which is what's available here. For J and F the seat maps are better indicators of load than in Y, where it's meaningless. Though with J Specials coming into the market this may change
The numbers are availability in each fare bucket, but are not cumulative within a class. I.e. in the above example you can buy 6 (or more, it's always a minimum number) seats in full fare Y (Flex Plus) OR 6 or more in Y Flex (B). If you buy 3 tickets in B then all other fare buckets decrease by 3 as well.
In Y EK will Show availability as high as 9, so the fact they show 6 for this flight indicates it's quite full. Also the fact they're only selling down to B. The flight is likely already lightly oversold (less than 10 over).
in J EK will Show availability up to 7, which is what they're still showing. This doesn't mean the cabin is empty though, it's probably well loaded but not full, 50-70%, but that's a less educated guess than Y.
F availability is displayed as a maximum of 4, which is what's available here. For J and F the seat maps are better indicators of load than in Y, where it's meaningless. Though with J Specials coming into the market this may change
#659




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
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As you can see another seat has been sold since the earlier check and now down to 5.
From left to right it pretty much follows the F, J and Y pattern:
F & A = First Class (F)
J, C, I, O, H & P = Business Class (J)
Y to X = Economy Class (Y)
Generally speaking the further left within a cabin the fare bucket is the higher the fare, e.g. Y, E & F are Flex Plus fares while X is a Special fare.
The flight can be oversold because Emirates will sell the total number of seats on a flight. Meaning if the combined unsold seats in J and F are 20 they will oversell Y by around 20. It's not always exact, sometimes they over-oversell and this results in IDBs (Involuntary Denied Boarding). On EK this can be quite lucrative as they will rebook you on a later flight in addition to giving you a free return ticket which you can use within the next 12 months, so if you have some flexibility and travel more than once a year this can be very useful.
#660




Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Economy, mostly :(
Programs: Skywards Gold
Posts: 7,791
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Looks pretty open, there are currently 2 seats for discounted cash upgrade offers (no lounge access, additional miles or chauffeur drive), which is the P fare bucket. If you've not received an e-mail offer you can try catch it during online check-in by using the desktop website (not app or mobile site). Y looks pretty wide open.
A little far out to get meaningful data for the 24th, I'd try again in 2-3 days



