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ek001 Dec 2, 2010 6:10 am


Originally Posted by GigoloArt (Post 15364617)
Bologna??? I didn't even know people would go there for holidays? Think about BCN, SGN and further destinations in South America.


Or is it for Cargo? Ferrari/ Ducati? I can't believe it.

its not about the holidays.. there is pax and cargo demand to or from any european city... BCN is a potential route plus they would really benifit if they operate a 2nd daily to MAD via BCN since BCN-MAD-BCN is one the worlds busiest routes....

ek001 Dec 2, 2010 6:20 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 15364324)
Is that a rumored? I wasn't sure about EK is considering service to BLQ or PSA.

aren't there any plans for TRN ???

ung1 Dec 2, 2010 6:20 am


Originally Posted by ek001 (Post 15365163)
its not about the holidays.. there is pax and cargo demand to or from any european city... BCN is a potential route plus they would really benifit if they operate a 2nd daily to MAD via BCN since BCN-MAD-BCN is one the worlds busiest routes....

How about La Spezia on the West Coast of Italy? Most Italians haven't heard of it. It's a bit silly to claim that there's demand from any city in Europe - maybe to fill a Gulfstream, but not an A340.

Would they be allowed to fly BCN - MAD?

ek001 Dec 2, 2010 6:58 am


Originally Posted by ung1 (Post 15365207)
How about La Spezia on the West Coast of Italy? Most Italians haven't heard of it. It's a bit silly to claim that there's demand from any city in Europe - maybe to fill a Gulfstream, but not an A340.

Would they be allowed to fly BCN - MAD?

i meant major cities such as barcelona, st.petersburg, berlin, stuttgart, turin, florence, naples and ect.
im not sure about BCN-MAD because i dont know what kind of agreement is signed between the UAE and Spain i hope there was some sort of site or something check air agreement between different countries!! @:-) !!!

Sherwood Hampton Dec 2, 2010 7:58 am


Originally Posted by ek001 (Post 15365163)
BCN is a potential route plus they would really benifit if they operate a 2nd daily to MAD via BCN since BCN-MAD-BCN is one the worlds busiest routes....


Why on earth would EK want to fly between BCN and MAD? There are numerous, very strong reasons why EK wouldn't fly between BCN and MAD, and not even due to regulatory restrictions.

1) You even say it's one of the world's busiest routes, and therefore has lots of competition, therefore keeping fares low. I would hazzard a guess and say that the only reasons the airlines fly BCN and MAD is to offer network connectivity and they make very little profit on it.

2) Passengers, and specifically businessmen, want frequency, so that if they miss a flight they don't have to wait long for the next one. How would EK compete with Spanair and Iberia which have multiple flights per day.

3) There is a high speed train route between Barcelona and Madrid which has already seriously affected revenues for the airlines.

4) Frequent flyers. BCN and MAD are home to lots of people linked up to Star Alliance and Iberia. Why would they then fly EK?

5) Do you realise the extra costs involved from stopping over in BCN on the way to MAD?

6) It would make journeys longer to and from DXB and therefore make EK less competitive with QR.

mecabq Dec 2, 2010 9:47 am


Originally Posted by GigoloArt (Post 15364617)
Bologna??? I didn't even know people would go there for holidays? Think about BCN, SGN and further destinations in South America.


Or is it for Cargo? Ferrari/ Ducati? I can't believe it.

Bologna is a decent idea, probably not too different in concept from Nice (though of course that's a bigger tourist spot for GCC residents). It's probably a solid business and leisure destination for the region. Obviously I have no idea about the business merits. For what it's worth, and perhaps surprisingly, Turkish Airlines flies there currently.

ek001 Dec 2, 2010 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Sherwood Hampton (Post 15365818)
Why on earth would EK want to fly between BCN and MAD? There are numerous, very strong reasons why EK wouldn't fly between BCN and MAD, and not even due to regulatory restrictions.

1) You even say it's one of the world's busiest routes, and therefore has lots of competition, therefore keeping fares low. I would hazzard a guess and say that the only reasons the airlines fly BCN and MAD is to offer network connectivity and they make very little profit on it.

2) Passengers, and specifically businessmen, want frequency, so that if they miss a flight they don't have to wait long for the next one. How would EK compete with Spanair and Iberia which have multiple flights per day.

3) There is a high speed train route between Barcelona and Madrid which has already seriously affected revenues for the airlines.

4) Frequent flyers. BCN and MAD are home to lots of people linked up to Star Alliance and Iberia. Why would they then fly EK?

5) Do you realise the extra costs involved from stopping over in BCN on the way to MAD?

6) It would make journeys longer to and from DXB and therefore make EK less competitive with QR.

it was just a though.. sounded like a potential route!!!!!

N830MH Dec 2, 2010 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by ek001 (Post 15365205)
aren't there any plans for TRN ???

Probably. I wasn't sure EK will have consider to started service from DXB-NAP.

MAH4546 Dec 2, 2010 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by ek001 (Post 15367225)
it was just a though.. sounded like a potential route!!!!!

With few exceptions, foreign airlines cannot fly domestic routes (although the EU/Switzerland/Norway is considered "one" market, so a British airline can fly a French domestic route).

Simply put: Emirates carrying local traffic on Madrid-Barcelona not only makes zero sense, but is illegal.

GBM.flights Dec 2, 2010 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by GigoloArt (Post 15364617)
Bologna??? I didn't even know people would go there for holidays? Think about BCN, SGN and further destinations in South America.
Or is it for Cargo? Ferrari/ Ducati? I can't believe it.

Ferrari, Ducati, Lamborghini, Maserati. Quick transit time to owner.

I wouldn't find it that unbelievable although not too likely as I think the Nordics should be ahead in the priority list.
Turkish airlines serves BLQ if it serves as a barometer.

GBM

N830MH Dec 2, 2010 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by MAH4546 (Post 15369032)
With few exceptions, foreign airlines cannot fly domestic routes (although the EU/Switzerland/Norway is considered "one" market, so a British airline can fly a French domestic route).

Simply put: Emirates carrying local traffic on Madrid-Barcelona not only makes zero sense, but is illegal.

Yes, of course. It won't have a problems for that. Actually, this is where EK can have flying nonstop from DXB-MAD or BCN instead of going to flying one-stop. This is not real specific time at all. It will get fifth freedom traffic rights through domestic flight in Spain. Unlikely government won't like that to gets fifth freedom traffic rights. There is no local traffic rights in domestic. This is on the restrictions by Spain government. EK is not considering to flying one-stop DXB-MAD-BCN and this is not right positions.

jimyvr Dec 3, 2010 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by MAH4546 (Post 15369032)
With few exceptions, foreign airlines cannot fly domestic routes (although the EU/Switzerland/Norway is considered "one" market, so a British airline can fly a French domestic route).

Simply put: Emirates carrying local traffic on Madrid-Barcelona not only makes zero sense, but is illegal.

Foreign airlines can fly a domestic route regardless if they have traffic rights.

ek001 Dec 4, 2010 5:08 am

does any one know if there are any plans to open new destinations in north and east europe such as oslo, helsinki, stockholm, minsk, belgrade, bucharest, budapest ???

sadiqhassan Dec 4, 2010 10:18 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 15378479)
What is does this mean? Please explained to me!!

EK could fly DXB-BCN-MAD-DXB for example and carry passengers DXB-BCN or DXB-BCN-MAD and BCN-MAD-DXB or MAD-DXB just not BCN-MAD.

Kiwi Flyer Dec 4, 2010 11:17 am


Originally Posted by sadiqhassan (Post 15380278)
EK could fly DXB-BCN-MAD-DXB for example and carry passengers DXB-BCN or DXB-BCN-MAD and BCN-MAD-DXB or MAD-DXB just not BCN-MAD.

Only if it has the rights to do so.


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