I don't apologize for liking meat....
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Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
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Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
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no there isn't. Everybody drinks water. It would help if you had some notion of the mathematical concepts you are trying to throw at me
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The US is behind in terms of life expectancy because we overeat, not because we eat a lot of meat.
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I don't apologize for liking meat either. I enjoy being at the top of the food chain!
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That is a very funny sketch. Mitchell and Webb are brilliant. For anyone who wants to see the sketch it's available on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63NNuG-6-hQ
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"What was that I saw running around?"
"That's the cat!"
Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.
Last edited by cblaisd; Nov 21, 2011 at 7:45 am Reason: Merged poster's two consecutive posts
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I am repeating for the third time, with consistency slightly tinted with lassitude, that I do not have any quantitative studies to support the claim meat is not unhealthy. I was asking for such studies. All I am saying is that countries that do have high meat consumptions per capita, COMPARATIVELY are also countries that have high life expectancy, COMPARATIVELY. I am also stating the factual observation that life expectancy increased in the past 200 years at the same time as people stopped eating dough and potatoes and started to enjoy hamburgers.
These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.
That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.
Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm
These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.
That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.
Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm
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A stunning demonstration in how to miss the point. As it happens I do have "some notion of the mathematical concepts" I'm talking about as I frequently review analytical chemistry manuscripts for journals, and they mostly involve statistical analysis. I reject the ones that try to use statistics to make conclusions from correlations that are coincidental, such as your post. Meat eating cannot be said to be responsible for longer lifespan simply because societies with a high meat consumption live longer.
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As I said before, and you ignored, comparing lifespan in Japan and India and saying the difference is meat consumption is laughable. You also ignored the the fact that most of the gain in lifespan in the last two centuries is due to sanitation and antibiotics.
Your comments on the Adventist studies are likewise wrong. The issue of smoking is only a confounder if only one group smokes. I dont think that was the case in those studies.
Originally Posted by jrolland1975
I am repeating for the third time, with consistency slightly tinted with lassitude, that I do not have any quantitative studies to support the claim meat is not unhealthy. I was asking for such studies. All I am saying is that countries that do have high meat consumptions per capita, COMPARATIVELY are also countries that have high life expectancy, COMPARATIVELY. I am also stating the factual observation that life expectancy increased in the past 200 years at the same time as people stopped eating dough and potatoes and started to enjoy hamburgers.
These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.
That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.
Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm
These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.
That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.
Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm
Your comments on the Adventist studies are likewise wrong. The issue of smoking is only a confounder if only one group smokes. I dont think that was the case in those studies.
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I like meat and would be mighty irritated with someone who preached at me about eating meat.
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If the vegetarians give me any hassle, I just like to point out that they've chosen to place themselves far down on the food-chain, and if we run out of food, things that eat only vegetables are going to be next up for us meat eaters.
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