"Keep Delta My Delta" Campaign
#61
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I got a button yesterday at the Crown Room in Boston. The agents there said that buttons were arriving Monday for them to pass out. I stuck mine on my coat and was thanked several times by Delta employees as I walked around.
I am from a long Delta family and this takeover distrubs me personally.
From an investment point of view. WHAT IS USAIR THINKING? The merger with America West is NOT fully integrated. Having worked for a company that did this kind of stupid expansion. (You know, we can't integrate companies 1 &2 so let's buy a few more...) I know what the outcome can be. CHAOS (and not the NW Flight Attendant type)
I am from a long Delta family and this takeover distrubs me personally.
From an investment point of view. WHAT IS USAIR THINKING? The merger with America West is NOT fully integrated. Having worked for a company that did this kind of stupid expansion. (You know, we can't integrate companies 1 &2 so let's buy a few more...) I know what the outcome can be. CHAOS (and not the NW Flight Attendant type)
#62
Join Date: May 2002
Location: ATL / ORD - DL PM, AA EXP
Posts: 70
Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
So yes, while all this 'sentimentality' may not be realistic given that Business is Business, let the employees (and even some of us travelers) have their day to vent their emotions.....they deserve at least that.
Should this transaction be completed, Delta ALPA is going to take their hardest line ever, and the rest of the frontline Delta employees are not far behind.
#64
Join Date: May 2002
Location: ATL / ORD - DL PM, AA EXP
Posts: 70
No, they would not still keep their jobs.
But like the employees of Eastern, there comes a point at which people will simply say "no more." The current pulling together by Delta employees is to be commended. But it is reflective not just of how much the people want to save their company, but also the deep well of residual outrage over past management that lies just beneath the surface.
I hope Mr. Parker understands that labor, organized or not, does have the ability not only to make this transaction more difficult, but to completely shut down his operation. He appears to be well on his way to a labor train wreck.
But like the employees of Eastern, there comes a point at which people will simply say "no more." The current pulling together by Delta employees is to be commended. But it is reflective not just of how much the people want to save their company, but also the deep well of residual outrage over past management that lies just beneath the surface.
I hope Mr. Parker understands that labor, organized or not, does have the ability not only to make this transaction more difficult, but to completely shut down his operation. He appears to be well on his way to a labor train wreck.
#65
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Originally Posted by BusinessElite
I hope Mr. Parker understands that labor, organized or not, does have the ability not only to make this transaction more difficult, but to completely shut down his operation. He appears to be well on his way to a labor train wreck.
I would argue that he already has a labor train wreck on his hands. He just wants to throw a few more train cars on the pile.
If an investor group were to acquire Delta, I don't think you would see the outrage by Delta's employees. Even if another airline that has had decent employee and customer relations (CO, UA) then I don't think you would see the outrage. IMO, the only thing really making this a crummy deal is USAIRWAYS/DOUG PARKER! - most anyone else would be OK with me (there are some exceptions, of course).
#66
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DCA / WAS
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I've done a lot of acquisitons professionally (in service-based businesses). The greatest challenge is the post-acquistion integration. That's where you make it or fail. Even the best don't get it all right all the time. The challenges in this case are huge, especially given the reputation of management of the proposed acquirer and the fact that they've not yet completed the integration of US and America West.
Having said that, it is easier to create a single corporate culture out of a 3-way (or larger) merger when you complete them in close succession. When you do 'em quickly, you can start from close to zero on a culture (or take the best) and build from there. To the detriment in this case, the reputation of US is far worse than DL, and the employees of DL are largely against this.
Even in the best of cases, it will take at least 2-3 years to determine success.
This is going to be really hard for US to pull off, and I put the likelihood of a successful integration at 50% or less.
Don't think it will be any better if a private equity group steps up in place of US and provides DL management with better funding.
Having said that, it is easier to create a single corporate culture out of a 3-way (or larger) merger when you complete them in close succession. When you do 'em quickly, you can start from close to zero on a culture (or take the best) and build from there. To the detriment in this case, the reputation of US is far worse than DL, and the employees of DL are largely against this.
Even in the best of cases, it will take at least 2-3 years to determine success.
This is going to be really hard for US to pull off, and I put the likelihood of a successful integration at 50% or less.
Don't think it will be any better if a private equity group steps up in place of US and provides DL management with better funding.
#67
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: DCA
Programs: Skyteam, Starwood, DMV Point Program
Posts: 80
I, too, come from a Delta family. And likewise, I hope this bid fails, miserably. That said, it's a brilliant play by US Airways. Having endured (as a frequent customer) their merger with America West, I have very little faith in their capacity to pull this off. That said - with a smart bunch of people at the top? It could be quite a deal.
Thankfully (from a purely personal perspective), they won't be able to manage it, and it won't go anywhere.
Thankfully (from a purely personal perspective), they won't be able to manage it, and it won't go anywhere.
#68
Join Date: Oct 2006
Programs: DLDmd1M, Marriott LTPlt, Hilton Dmd, Hyatt Dmd & too many others to be paying taxes in my hometown
Posts: 118
Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
As others have already mentioned, just ask some employees if they have any extra the next time you fly. I got one yesterday inflight when I asked an FA, who was spotting a button on her red dress, if she had any extras....the pin is now on one of my bags...
Hmmm, perhaps a trip out to PHX is due sometime soon with that bag...
Hmmm, perhaps a trip out to PHX is due sometime soon with that bag...
#69
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Originally Posted by joshua-bwi
Inefficient operations, money losing entities, isn't that what happened to the pax railroads? (Remember it's all textbook for me as I was 1yr old in 1971...)...
This sea change does not exist today in the airline industry. More people are flying now than before 9/11. The difference now is that the parameter that people use to choose an airline is mostly price. Many FT'ers will disagree (F, E+, rewards, clubs, etc.) but since it is mostly price, service suffers. And this pricing competition makes a plane ticket a commodity, and a merger deal like US/DL (struggling to get this back on topic) is a stretch to create more commodity (or maybe less on some routes) that can be sold at a profit. The problem is that I see no consideration for employees here, and I also see DL as particularly vulnerable since it is non-union (except for pilots). What is to stop Parker from just saying, OK, Delta non-union employees will get a 40% pay cut next Monday. It's necessary due to competitive conditions, and to insure the future of the company, etc. If you don't like it, we will accept resignations.
#71
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NYC
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I saw these buttons at JFK, SFO and on flights between those two airports this past weekend. The employees who wore the pins tended to provide the highest service standards. The ones who were the surliest and least caring did not.
Coincidence?
Coincidence?
#72
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: MA
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#73
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PHX
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 176
I got a button at the CRC in Boston today. Though initally they said they were for employees but when the saw how much interest i expressed in trying to support them they gladly gave me one. My debate is if i should wear it on an upcomming US airways flight (booked way before the takeover announcement it was 98 RT to Columbus)
#74
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Someplace in Florida
Programs: SPG Plat
Posts: 570
Originally Posted by newyorkmetz12
I got a button at the CRC in Boston today. Though initally they said they were for employees but when the saw how much interest i expressed in trying to support them they gladly gave me one. My debate is if i should wear it on an upcomming US airways flight (booked way before the takeover announcement it was 98 RT to Columbus)
Actually, it's a requirement.
#75
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Join Date: Jun 1999
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Originally Posted by Buster CT1K
I saw these buttons at JFK, SFO and on flights between those two airports this past weekend. The employees who wore the pins tended to provide the highest service standards. The ones who were the surliest and least caring did not.
Coincidence?
Coincidence?