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vasantn Jul 5, 2006 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by mshaikun
Nice site. Does it show award seats availability?

No. For that you need a paid subscription site, such as ExpertFlyer. Well worth it IMO.

vasantn Jul 5, 2006 7:34 pm

To the OP:

Flights are routinely overbooked, because airlines expect a certain percentage pf pax to be no-shows. When they are oversold, it means they guessed wrong and are probably going to need to bump people.

Y9 does not augur well for a bump scenario. Of course, this is all theory for me, since I have never been bumped, nor do I ever want to.

N830MH Jul 5, 2006 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by vasantn
No. For that you need a paid subscription site, such as ExpertFlyer. Well worth it IMO.

What is it for the site? Is that search for good price with the airlines? I don't get it with information on DL.

wjudge Jul 6, 2006 9:04 am


Originally Posted by N830MH
What is it for the site? Is that search for good price with the airlines? I don't get it with information on DL.

Expert Flyer is a great site to find class availability including award classes. You can register for the standard subscription at $4.99 per month which gives you 250 queries per month (e.g. Seat map, flight status, flight detail, date & origin/destination availability are treated as 1 query each). Each additional query is $0.05 each. This does not allow for lookups +- x days which is useful for award travel search - the premium service for $9.99 per month gives you that ability + unlimited queries each month, and the ability to save queries. I have found the service to be very helpful and very worth the $5 per month. ^

wjudge Jul 6, 2006 9:07 am


Originally Posted by wjudge
DL 1010 0 ATL 07/09/06 09:14PM LAS 07/09/06 10:25PM 757 R
Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K4 L0 U0 T0

Hope that gives you a little info!

By the way DJZ, it's looking a little worse for ya now...

DL 1010 0 ATL 07/09/06 09:14PM LAS 07/09/06 10:25PM 757 R
Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K8 L2 U0 T0

NoStressHere Jul 6, 2006 9:27 pm

Trying to figure out a bump is a difficult proposition. There are so many variables, most important that many flights are ROUTINELY oversold, yet rarely have bumps.

Don't count on it, but at least be aware of possible alternatives if it happens.

indufan Jul 6, 2006 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by NoStressHere
Trying to figure out a bump is a difficult proposition. There are so many variables, most important that many flights are ROUTINELY oversold, yet rarely have bumps.

Don't count on it, but at least be aware of possible alternatives if it happens.

Afterall, Delta (and other airlines) don't want to pay DBC. In what the reasons that you mention is why they have to oversell them to begin with.

cejak Dec 16, 2006 9:45 am

Is this flight likely oversold?
 
I am booked las-dca on 1/1/07 on flights 774 and 1673 and am trying to assess bump potential.

When I query availability in ExpertFlyer and other availability tools from las-dca with connection in atl it shows that both flights are 0's across all classes.

But when I query flight 774 individually the availability shows:
F0 A0 Y8 B6 M6 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

What am I missing?

On a related note, I find the paper airport-use-only voluntary DB vouchers the DL gives out very inconvenient to use. Is there a way to get something that can be used online that would make life easier for Delta and me? Perhaps making a dummy reservation when I am at the airport for the amount of the voucher and then using 24 hr cancellation to have them converted to e-credits? Does this work?

heathriel Dec 16, 2006 11:01 am


Originally Posted by cejak (Post 6858498)
On a related note, I find the paper airport-use-only voluntary DB vouchers the DL gives out very inconvenient to use. Is there a way to get something that can be used online that would make life easier for Delta and me? Perhaps making a dummy reservation when I am at the airport for the amount of the voucher and then using 24 hr cancellation to have them converted to e-credits? Does this work?

I've purchased refundable tickets with my vouchers to extend their dates then cancelled the flights, leaving me with a PNR to be used toward a future ticket, which is pretty much what you're trying to accomplish.

ClipperDelta Dec 17, 2006 6:02 am


Originally Posted by cejak (Post 6858498)
I am booked las-dca on 1/1/07 on flights 774 and 1673 and am trying to assess bump potential.

When I query availability in ExpertFlyer and other availability tools from las-dca with connection in atl it shows that both flights are 0's across all classes.

But when I query flight 774 individually the availability shows:
F0 A0 Y8 B6 M6 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

What am I missing?

That, my friend, is Journey Control at work. They are still allowing some sales on a point-to-point itinerary on the 774 but are not selling connections anymore. In any case, it looks like both flights are pretty much very heavily booked and likely in the oversell situation already. However, I wouldn't hold my breath for a bump since First is already sold out too.

fjnovak1 Oct 24, 2008 8:49 am

How close is my flight to being oversold?
 
Hi everyone, I'm hoping one of the DL people here can help me. I checked availability for an upcoming flight next Thursday (Oct 30) from XNA to ATL (the 7:45 departure, DL5404 i believe) and it read the following:

Y6 B5 M3 H2 Q1 K0 L0 U0 T0

I'm pretty sure that means there are still 5 or 6 seats available, but I'm not really positive. I have somewhat flexible travel plans and would love to try for the bump if it would be possible, but don't want to show up really early at such a small airport like XNA unless its looking like a VDB might be in the cards. Anyone got any insight?? Thanks!

lls138 Oct 24, 2008 10:38 am

expertflyer.com

get there 1.5 hours early and find out

nothing is final until everyone has their butts in the seats. good luck.

keeton Oct 24, 2008 3:37 pm

Only DL themselves can tell you if a flight is actually oversold. The "seats" you still see for sale on such tools like Expert Flyer and SeatCounter may include the overselling seats so there is no real way to tell.

A lot can happen from several days out so it is way to early to predict. As lls138 said, get there 1.5 hours early or call DL 2 hours early. They will know better then.

3Cforme Oct 24, 2008 4:36 pm

If Delta is still willing to sell M, H and Q fares, I interpret this as 'not too' oversold. Keep watching but this is far from a slam-dunk bump opportunity.

MikeMpls Oct 24, 2008 5:01 pm

Delta's gotten really good at packing these smaller planes exactly full and avoiding bump payouts.


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