The information is available on ITN.NET, in the EXPERT mode when you register.

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Oracle Implementations .... Will Travel....

I know what you meant; bad choice of words on my part. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

What I'm saying is that there is no point in you wasting your time trying to assess the likelihood of a bump. Aside from buying more airline tickets for that flight, there is absolutely nothing you can do to increase the probability of being bumped off that flight (obviously, you have to make your intentions known to the gate agent should the flight be oversold).

Even if you had precise booking levels for the flight as Sean provided, it's garbage information for the most part. Bumping is random. If it were predictable, airlines wouldn't ever have oversold flights. They don't like handing out vouchers.

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"It's as easy as 1, 2, C" -- Kelly, Married With Children

Traveling in a group is probably not that much different over the long run. If they need fewer than 5 people, it is very unlikely they will pick your group and split you up. If they need 5 or more (counting issues notwithstanding), you stand a better chance than anyone else (unless they need 8 and there's a group of 8 on the plane).

My greatest bump ever was five free tickets on UA. They needed to bump seven people, so they first came to me and my wife and three kids. Then they made an announcement that they needed two volunteers. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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"It's as easy as 1, 2, C" -- Kelly, Married With Children

By freely handing out proprietary Delta information, you're cementing your chances of Delta hiring you to zero.

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"It's as easy as 1, 2, C" -- Kelly, Married With Children

B747-437B -- I started to post the inventory numbers earlier, but was mindful when doing so earlier this year of an individual who responded saying I should not post Delta "proprietary" information..
Was wondering when I read your post if you would receive a similar response to posting the inventory numbers, did not have to wait long for the answer!

Thanks for the assistance. We will see how it shakes out next weekend.

JS..why did you say that about properitary information? DL's internal systems would be the only place that info could be obtained? Just curious. Thanks.

DL9 from LGW to ATL still has enough seats in BE to cover the oversolds in coach.

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[This message has been edited by thomaca (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

You are correct. itn.net only gives you a hint -- how many seats are left, up to 9. Only Delta knows how many total reservations exist for the flight. Total reservations minus physical seats (the latter is public, obviously) is the number overbooked.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Sean! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

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"It's as easy as 1, 2, C" -- Kelly, Married With Children

Oh gee. My life ambition ruined. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Furthermore, actual oversale numbers are not proprietary as much as the oversale PROFILE numbers are. Delta is actually required to give you the info that J is not oversold, Y is oversold and that the Y oversale is less than number of J seats unsold.

I got the info by calling Delta and simply asking. If the agent thinks you are an interline NRSA, they give you the info straight up.

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I know that. I do like shaming you for posting the numbers anyway. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif


They "think"? They can't read minds. Does this mean you lied and said you were NRSA? Releasing propriety information and lying to get it -- now you're really in trouble! Lifetime secondary screening for you! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

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"It's as easy as 1, 2, C" -- Kelly, Married With Children

If this was a domestic flight you would be looking at one of the busiest travel days of the year and we are 12 days before departure. I would be willing to guess that your flight would be very heavily overbooked by the day of departure. I have seen many flights with simular numbers fill up overnight. As others have stated heavily overbooked flights do not always produce bumps.

I have a great track record on domestic flight bumps but I am seldom bumped on international flights. If anyone has any insight on the difference I would love to hear it. Do you have any connecting flights in the US on 11/30? If so those may be where your real opportunities exist. Also beware that international bump vouchers may not be able to be used for domestic flights ask before you offer your seat.

I, like you, use the seat maps to determine if a flight is selling out then when there are very few seats on the map look at airtravel.tk or itn.net to see how many seats are being offered for sale. On the eve of departure on a moderate sized plane if there are less than 10 seats for sale I think you have good bump chances, more than 10 looks slim to me.

Post back on 12/1 and tell us how many standbys boarded, were any bumps given out and were any seats empty.

You can increase your chances if you tell the agent up front you have a party of 5 that can split up and you can take 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 bumps and figure out how your party can split up if that is possible.



[This message has been edited by jerry crump (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

One, two, three, four, or five bumps...

If one parent goes first and the other goes last, a traditional family can be ready to accept any number of bumps from one up to the family size. Be sure to say so to the agent so the agent will realize you are flexible. If the bump requires a stay overnight, fewer hotel rooms are needed for a family compared with individuals, although a family of five may need two rooms depending on the hotel.

At the gate, ask about volunteering and the bonus that may be offered before the agent picks up the mike and asks for volunteers.

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[This message has been edited by AllanJ (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

How do I know if a flight is oversold?
 

I am flying JFK-BRU this Friday, 16 Sep. When I checked my seat assignment, there was no other seat available. I know this doesn't mean flight is oversold, but I am of course hoping it is, for a chance of an op-up.

Any way of knowing it before Friday?

Still shows one coach seat for assignment and 3 open unassigned seats in BE.
There are seats that are held back for airport assignment. Both cabins are pretty tight, obviously. Fri AM, give DL a call and ask them!

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