Asked to lower shade
Nov 21, 2019, 10:19 am
#121
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
Regardless, the passenger refused to comply with all crew member instructions, a violation of FAA rules (they literally announce this at the beginning of every flight).
Therefore, the passenger invited confrontation by not complying with the crew member instructions.
Therefore, the passenger invited confrontation by not complying with the crew member instructions.
This bootlicking "FAA rules" thing is laughable.
A passenger does not get to decide what is an erroneous crew member instruction and what is a legitimate crew member instruction while in the air. A passenger may complain through the proper channels upon landing and deplaning. The only logical exception to this rule would be a crew member asking a passenger to do something that is clearly a violation of law or statute.
Also if you really are that concerned about safety, then you should be putting the blame on the FA here for undermining FA authority by abusing it for purposes that do not directly relate to passenger safety.
Nov 21, 2019, 10:21 am
#122
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
you're doing the opposite. Given the information we have the most likely explanation is that it was a frivolous request. To suggest otherwise means that YOU need to shoulder the burden of proof. Where is the evidence that this was anything OTHER than a frivolous request?
Nov 21, 2019, 10:25 am
#124
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
I guess you haven't been paying attention. The press always likes to find a bully, the public in general hates the miserable treatment they get on airlines and they see the corporations as bullies. These stories always, always make the airline the bad guy.
Nov 21, 2019, 10:27 am
#125
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 3,097
give me a break, you obviously haven't thought this out, in reality what happens is one loudmouth makes a stink and everyone else just rolls over because nobody liked dealing with a tantrum-throwing blowhard
Nov 21, 2019, 10:28 am
#126
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Global
Posts: 5,998
If they refuse, and the FA insists yes there will be a problem. Maybe take an Aviation Law class or read up on some of the precedent forming court cases. Literally failing to follow an order for any reason can result in FAA going after you. There's a reason the announcement they make says failing to comply with all (not some, or only those you feel should be) crew member instructions, lighted signs and posted placards.
The FAA has NOTHING to do with prosecuting flyers. As a pilot and former ATC I can assure I know the regs pretty well.
The FAA could investigate a power-tripping FA for creating a safety issue by ordering a passenger to do something that is completely not related to the safe operation of the aircraft.
There is NOTHING in any reg that supports a FA ordering a passenger to lower a window shade. Nothing.
I would love to see the FA try and write that one up or call for the police... "Female passenger failed to comply with my direct stern order to lower her window shade mid-light. Thank God I was there to save the day and prevent a tragedy." The airline would laugh and laugh... and then write the FA up while apologizing to the passenger. The local PD might even issue a citation to the FA... they have better things to do.
Nov 21, 2019, 10:33 am
#127
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: IHG Platinum
Posts: 629
Google Greenland. Endless numbers of pictures on the internet therefore no need to brighten an otherwise darkened cabin.
Confrontation avoidant? Libra?
Confrontation avoidant? Libra?
Nov 21, 2019, 10:35 am
#128
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SEA (the REAL Washington); occasionally in the other Washington (DCA area)
Programs: DL PM 1.57MM; AS MVPG 100K
Posts: 21,375
there is NO substitute for seeing the real thing, even from seven miles above (especially from seven miles above, if you don't expect to actually set foot there)
Nov 21, 2019, 10:39 am
#130
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: where lions are led by donkeys...
Programs: Lifetime Gold, Global Entry, Hertz PC, and my wallet
Posts: 20,347
Of course the FA, given what they said to the OP, should have said to the requesting passenger: "you go and tell them to put the shade down". Crap FA based on what's written here.
Nov 21, 2019, 10:52 am
#131
Join Date: Aug 2003
Programs: Bonvoy Amb; AA EXP
Posts: 1,136
THere are lots of threads on it, but as a 'window shade down' guy, I like the 787 due to the crew controlled window shades.
Nov 21, 2019, 11:37 am
#132
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Atlanta
Programs: Delta Death March, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat, Marriott/Hilton Gold Life
Posts: 1,547
btw - I was once asked to remove a T-shirt which offended someone (a Muslim person, I believe).
Long story short, I covered it up. But was upset because it was dark at the time, and I hadn't left my seat - covered in a blanket in fact (i had it covered with a sweater while boarding).
My son has a condition - which requires a "504" form - and I appended it to his record after this thread.
but honestly why the F didn't the pax ask the person themselves. That part is rude, entitled, and silly.
Long story short, I covered it up. But was upset because it was dark at the time, and I hadn't left my seat - covered in a blanket in fact (i had it covered with a sweater while boarding).
My son has a condition - which requires a "504" form - and I appended it to his record after this thread.
but honestly why the F didn't the pax ask the person themselves. That part is rude, entitled, and silly.
Nov 21, 2019, 12:08 pm
#134
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Treasure Coast, FL
Programs: DL Diamond, Marriott LT Plat, HH Diamond, Avis Preferred Plus, National Executive
Posts: 4,578
I would think an airline arresting someone for not putting their window shade down would be a PR nightmare.
Nov 21, 2019, 12:15 pm
#135
Moderator, Delta Skymiles and Mileage Run
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Seat 2A
Programs: DL Diamond/MM, Hyatt Diamond, former AS MVPG 75K, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 2,940
This thread has enjoyed a very spirited discussion, and has finally ran its course. Therefore we will lock this one up.
Ryandc99
Moderator, Delta Air Lines
Ryandc99
Moderator, Delta Air Lines