Asked to lower shade
Nov 20, 2019, 8:17 am
#16
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Perhaps (given some incidents where someone asks for something and a fight ensues), the person asked the FA to avoid a potential confrontation? (Although I'm sure the requestor had no idea that the FA would then spill the beans and try to have direct passenger-to-passenger communication at that point).
Nov 20, 2019, 8:30 am
#17
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This is what I would call a no win situation,
if you dont lower the shades, you are seen as being selfish,
if you lower the shade, you are missing out on some beautiful sights
(there are reasons, why we have windows on planes.. one of them is to look out of them)
if you dont lower the shades, you are seen as being selfish,
if you lower the shade, you are missing out on some beautiful sights
(there are reasons, why we have windows on planes.. one of them is to look out of them)
Nov 20, 2019, 8:35 am
#18
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nah, just say no and whatever other people think is their problem. Leaving the window up if you're actually using it = win.
Nov 20, 2019, 8:40 am
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Nov 20, 2019, 8:49 am
#20
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This is why more and more, FA simply tell you to close it. It's a mass transport of multiple people, the majority of which usually prefer to sleep on flights like this. If its that important, I'm going to use a phrase I hate, fly private. Otherwise you don't control the shade, the FA does, who usually goes with satisfying the majority of the cabin.
Regardless, telling you to confront the passenger was majorly inappropriate. This is almost akin to saying "Fight" (think of Mortal Combat tone).
Regardless, telling you to confront the passenger was majorly inappropriate. This is almost akin to saying "Fight" (think of Mortal Combat tone).
Nov 20, 2019, 9:11 am
#21
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I def prefer sitting in aisle seat, so I seldom control the shade. And I am frequently annoyed when a pax leaves the shade up, interfering with me being able to see the screen because of the glare.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
Nov 20, 2019, 9:14 am
#22
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Yes, this is a constant debate. One thing that isn't often discussed, though, is when the sun is beaming into other passenger's faces, but yet doesn't affect the person on the window. A few times recently, I was getting killed by the glare from the other side of the aisle and there was virtually nothing that could be done about it. Typically, if the shade is lowered to half-way, the glare is eliminated but the person can still see what they want to see or they can still get some natural light.
As for the debate. I’m 99% aisle and concede control to the window pax. If I’m in the window unless is nighttime my shades are down until we are close to landing. I think it’s inconsiderate to have the shades up - but there’s always that one guy.
Nov 20, 2019, 9:17 am
#23
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In my younger years I waited tables at a restaurant set on the water with a fabulous city view. In the afternoons the sun would come beaming in and I'd constantly get pulled in all different directions with people wanting it closed and others wanting the view. Definitely a no-win situation. I generally agree though that as the paying guest you shouldn't have to confront other passengers. That's what FAs get paid for and what you are paying for. And I think as the occupant of the window seat you are in control unless it is movie time or there is some other obvious reason to lower it.
Nov 20, 2019, 9:29 am
#24
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I think if the FA asked me to tell the other passenger why it is that I want to leave the shade open; well, there is always the possibility that that might backfire on the FA and I might come unglued and assault the other passenger.
Not really, of course. But I do always sit by the window and I do like to watch out the window; if its cloudy and there is nothing to see I like to sit and read so I need the daylight. If the sun is shining in, I do notice it and make sure its not shining directly on someone. But sorry, no, I am not closing the shade all the way.
Not really, of course. But I do always sit by the window and I do like to watch out the window; if its cloudy and there is nothing to see I like to sit and read so I need the daylight. If the sun is shining in, I do notice it and make sure its not shining directly on someone. But sorry, no, I am not closing the shade all the way.
Nov 20, 2019, 9:45 am
#25
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I def prefer sitting in aisle seat, so I seldom control the shade. And I am frequently annoyed when a pax leaves the shade up, interfering with me being able to see the screen because of the glare.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
Without a doubt though, the armrest question is clear. Both go the person in the middle.
Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 am
#26
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Except that's not what I said. I simply quoted various points of the post as they appeared to contradict each other. If the sun is shining in another passenger's eyes and said passenger then asks a FA to ask that other person to please lower their shade, how is that "bringing confrontation" to the passenger? If people just did as instructed by the FA there would be far fewer problems on flights.
Nov 20, 2019, 10:55 am
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Nov 20, 2019, 11:05 am
#28
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Except that's not what I said. I simply quoted various points of the post as they appeared to contradict each other. If the sun is shining in another passenger's eyes and said passenger then asks a FA to ask that other person to please lower their shade, how is that "bringing confrontation" to the passenger? If people just did as instructed by the FA there would be far fewer problems on flights.
Nov 20, 2019, 11:20 am
#29
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I def prefer sitting in aisle seat, so I seldom control the shade. And I am frequently annoyed when a pax leaves the shade up, interfering with me being able to see the screen because of the glare.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
HOWEVER…
The pax at the window gets to control the shade. Although it inconveniences me personally, I recognize that fact. If I wanted to control the shade, I should have selected a window seat.
As an aisle seater, do you control access to the aisle?
You wanna go to the restroom? You gotta lower that shade first
Nov 20, 2019, 11:23 am
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