What (nonstop) route do you wish Delta would really have?
Apr 23, 2019, 9:45 pm
#511
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I probably have said this before in this thread, but I would love any service to SBP.
My parents live in Paso Robles and getting there in DL is waaay too hard. I end up flying SEA-SJC and then driving, which is not fun at all.
AS serves SEA, so I doubt DL would compete. UA serves SFO, DEN and LAX, and AA PHX, all of them with a decent amount of daily flights (1-4x).
I would love a SLC-SBP, which would be great for connecting traffic.
My parents live in Paso Robles and getting there in DL is waaay too hard. I end up flying SEA-SJC and then driving, which is not fun at all.
AS serves SEA, so I doubt DL would compete. UA serves SFO, DEN and LAX, and AA PHX, all of them with a decent amount of daily flights (1-4x).
I would love a SLC-SBP, which would be great for connecting traffic.
Apr 23, 2019, 10:06 pm
#512
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Would be illegal for them to pay DL to not operate a route.
Apr 24, 2019, 6:33 am
#513
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Since different states set different annexation and municipal consolidation rules for urban core city populations, it's best to use metro area size estimates 2018:
Atlanta 5.8 million
Boston 4.6 million
Detroit 4.2 million (add in adjacent areas like Ann Arbor and Windsor and you go over 5 million)
Seattle 3.7 million
MSP- 3.2 million
Charlotte 2.4 million
Cincinnati- 2.1 million
Salt Lake City- 1,2 million
Atlanta 5.8 million
Boston 4.6 million
Detroit 4.2 million (add in adjacent areas like Ann Arbor and Windsor and you go over 5 million)
Seattle 3.7 million
MSP- 3.2 million
Charlotte 2.4 million
Cincinnati- 2.1 million
Salt Lake City- 1,2 million
In general, in places with only one large airport, people will drive to the nearby "large" airport. For example, people in Athens, GA and Ogden, UT definitely drive to ATL and SLC respectively (both Athens Regional and Ogden don't have any real commercial service for example). Even for places with multiple airports (e.g., think SFO CSA which includes San Jose) - people will often drive an extra hour if needed for a nonstop or for a better deal.
Apr 24, 2019, 6:59 am
#515
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I still think (and maybe just a lot of hope!) there may be enough traffic to warrant this as a 2X weekly route. Not necessarily for Disney employees but for Asian Tourists in general visiting parks and Florida. Whenever we travel MCO - XXX - TYO there are a lot of Japanese tourists following us home to MCO.
Apr 24, 2019, 7:56 am
#516
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I still think (and maybe just a lot of hope!) there may be enough traffic to warrant this as a 2X weekly route. Not necessarily for Disney employees but for Asian Tourists in general visiting parks and Florida. Whenever we travel MCO - XXX - TYO there are a lot of Japanese tourists following us home to MCO.
Apr 24, 2019, 8:21 am
#517
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I would guess you will see absolutely none of those on Delta within the next 24 months. MLB in passenger count is much smaller than DAB, and from DAB Delta flies to Atlanta. Period.
Apr 24, 2019, 9:48 am
#519
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Apr 24, 2019, 10:10 am
#520
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Apr 24, 2019, 10:30 am
#521
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I think if Delta were to reawaken the whole Delta-Disney connection it could make for some exciting things. They certainly have the space to re-expand at MCO unlike CVG where they demolished the other terminals. I know they have fears about LCC pressures but frankly there are many people who refuse to ever fly a LCC and also Florida is growing daily. Could make for an exciting expansion and indirect way to challenge AA in Florida.
Apr 24, 2019, 11:08 am
#522
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And for cities with only one large airport, the combined statistical area (CSA) actually gives a better view of the catchment area. For most places, this is actually a small change (for example, Atlanta's only grows +14% to 6.6M through the inclusion of, e.g., Athens, GA), but some can be quite large - Seattle's CSA is 1M people larger at 4.7M (+27%). Salt Lake City is actually the most extreme example of this - it goes from 1.2M for the Salt Lake City metro to 2.3M (+92%) for the CSA (it includes places like Ogden and Provo which are both less than an hour drive from SLC). Charlotte sees a very, very small increase (+8%) to 2.6M (from 2.4M for the metro area alone).
In general, in places with only one large airport, people will drive to the nearby "large" airport. For example, people in Athens, GA and Ogden, UT definitely drive to ATL and SLC respectively (both Athens Regional and Ogden don't have any real commercial service for example). Even for places with multiple airports (e.g., think SFO CSA which includes San Jose) - people will often drive an extra hour if needed for a nonstop or for a better deal.
In general, in places with only one large airport, people will drive to the nearby "large" airport. For example, people in Athens, GA and Ogden, UT definitely drive to ATL and SLC respectively (both Athens Regional and Ogden don't have any real commercial service for example). Even for places with multiple airports (e.g., think SFO CSA which includes San Jose) - people will often drive an extra hour if needed for a nonstop or for a better deal.
Apr 24, 2019, 11:39 am
#523
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These days, it's the San Jose - San Francisco - Oakland CSA. San Jose comes first. It is true that I will drive to SFO for a non-stop international flight somewhere. However, I will not drive SFO for a domestic flight. SJC is more convenient to me living within 15 minutes of the airport and does not have the WX issues that SFO has. Even if I have to connect, it's still more reliable than dealing with SFO. That's why it's been nice to see DL actually add flights to all its hubs (except CVG) from SJC. I'd love to see SJC-BOS one day if they decide to build SJC more. Both cities have a huge tech based economy and SJC is actually in Silicon Valley unlike SFO.
Apr 25, 2019, 8:01 am
#524
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Still itching for:
BHM - MSP
BHM - RDU (Via just started this route here)
BHM - AUS (Via just announced this route here too)
BHM - SLC (I absolutely hate trying to get places like Idaho Falls, Reno, Boise from BHM)
BHM - MSP
BHM - RDU (Via just started this route here)
BHM - AUS (Via just announced this route here too)
BHM - SLC (I absolutely hate trying to get places like Idaho Falls, Reno, Boise from BHM)