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Grouchy Jul 17, 2018 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 29984441)
Did you explain that you need to menu to see other courses, drinks, breakfast, etc. and ask the FA or purser for one?

Explain? Remember i'm from wooden shoe country, w're somewhat more direct over here ;). Follow up after being surprised was 'May i have one, please'. She returned to the front galley to grab one and hand it over to me :)

KansasMike Jul 17, 2018 9:05 pm

This was SOP ~1980.

I sometimes think those of us who flew extensively from late 60's to ~1988 are at a disadvantage. We know flying doesn't have to be as miserable as it is today!

CHOPCHOP767 Jul 17, 2018 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 29984678)
Explain? Remember i'm from wooden shoe country, w're somewhat more direct over here ;). Follow up after being surprised was 'May i have one, please'. She returned to the front galley to grab one and hand it over to me :)

Lack of menu as a result of pre-ordering suggests to me that the Purser actually reviewed service items/issues before pax boarded as opposed to text messaging and Facebooking or my fav: hammering away at the ice bags for thirty minutes... I would take this attention to detail as an harbringer of good service in flight, but I could be speculating too much. Hope it was in fact good service in flight :)

MSPeconomist Jul 18, 2018 12:02 am


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 29984678)
Explain? Remember i'm from wooden shoe country, w're somewhat more direct over here ;). Follow up after being surprised was 'May i have one, please'. She returned to the front galley to grab one and hand it over to me :)

That's very efficient.

pvn Jul 18, 2018 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by KansasMike (Post 29985612)
This was SOP ~1980.

I sometimes think those of us who flew extensively from late 60's to ~1988 are at a disadvantage. We know flying doesn't have to be as miserable as it is today!

It was also a lot more expensive back then.

jdrtravel Jul 18, 2018 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 29987836)
It was also a lot more expensive back then.


Eh, that's really more of a myth that the airline industry has done a great job of propagating. When you include what air travelers actually have to spend to travel, (luggage fees, buying their own meals, often paying for a coach seat assignment with enough room to move, outrageous change fees, call center fees, etc) it's really not that different, especially if you comparing legacy airline fares today to that time (and not including ULCC).

Lomapaseo Jul 18, 2018 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 29987836)
It was also a lot more expensive back then.

Not when you consider the 95% rate for free upgrades to First class

bgriff Jul 19, 2018 6:45 am


Originally Posted by Lomapaseo (Post 29989536)
Not when you consider the 95% rate for free upgrades to First class

There were no free upgrades to first class in 1980. Giving away the front cabin for free was a development later on (and some would argue eventually led to devaluations of what it used to be, though that is up for debate).

MSPeconomist Jul 19, 2018 9:29 am


Originally Posted by bgriff (Post 29990571)
There were no free upgrades to first class in 1980. Giving away the front cabin for free was a development later on (and some would argue eventually led to devaluations of what it used to be, though that is up for debate).

There were no FF programs until 1981, but some airlines did informally upgrade their known very frequent customers. Fir example, I know a guy who flew Swiss almost every week between Europe and Boston and was upgraded most of the time (when space was available).

sethb Jul 21, 2018 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by jdrtravel (Post 29989127)
Eh, that's really more of a myth that the airline industry has done a great job of propagating. When you include what air travelers actually have to spend to travel, (luggage fees, buying their own meals, often paying for a coach seat assignment with enough room to move, outrageous change fees, call center fees, etc) it's really not that different, especially if you comparing legacy airline fares today to that time (and not including ULCC).

In the early 1970s, I paid $500 JFK-HNL-BOS. In 2002, I paid $500 JFK-HNL-JFK. There was a bit of inflation over that period.

In fact, coach fares in the 1970s + inflation are approximately equal to F fares (at least FCM fares) today. And the seats and service are similar, too.

brandonpkt Jul 22, 2018 11:59 am


Originally Posted by puddinhead (Post 29963469)
On PDX-NRT flight both Mrs. P and I pre-ordered Japanese meals. Advised FA, who noted there were a lot of diamonds on flight. She is PM and didn’t get the Japanese meal - they had run out when she got served. We were in 3A and 4A on a 7 row D1 configutpration.

We’ll send a complaint to DL when we return.


In this situation I am positive that the FA is just making up an excuse for a logistical mistake. Mistakes certainly happen, but no reason for the FA to make a false statement or mislead.

From my experience on paid tickets in D1 as a DM I have not been given special treatment when pre-ordering was not offered. In fact on my last flight two of the four choices were gone by the time I ordered.

jdrtravel Jul 23, 2018 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 29999653)
In the early 1970s, I paid $500 JFK-HNL-BOS. In 2002, I paid $500 JFK-HNL-JFK. There was a bit of inflation over that period.

In fact, coach fares in the 1970s + inflation are approximately equal to F fares (at least FCM fares) today. And the seats and service are similar, too.

You mean you got a really low fare to Hawaii during one of the worst economic moments in airline history (2002)?. Please read my whole post to understand the point I was making. Yes, base fares have often not kept up with inflation, but overall cost of travel certainly has. Somehow the airlines are making record profits, and it's not just from cramming more seats in coach.

Also, I did a search for a flight on random days in January 2019, JFK-HNL. The lowest coach fare is $950, or $850 for basic economy. Comfort +, which is much closer to the product that you flew in the 70's, is $1327. And you still have to pay extra to check luggage, plus huge fees for any changes. It's probably still a little cheaper to fly today, but it's not dramatically cheaper like some claim.

sethb Jul 23, 2018 9:00 pm


Originally Posted by jdrtravel (Post 30006148)
You mean you got a really low fare to Hawaii during one of the worst economic moments in airline history (2002)?. Please read my whole post to understand the point I was making. Yes, base fares have often not kept up with inflation, but overall cost of travel certainly has. Somehow the airlines are making record profits, and it's not just from cramming more seats in coach.

Also, I did a search for a flight on random days in January 2019, JFK-HNL. The lowest coach fare is $950, or $850 for basic economy. Comfort +, which is much closer to the product that you flew in the 70's, is $1327. And you still have to pay extra to check luggage, plus huge fees for any changes. It's probably still a little cheaper to fly today, but it's not dramatically cheaper like some claim.

According to the CPI Inflation Calculator, $500 in 1973 is equivalent to $2,763.04 today. The lowest First Class fare I found next January is $2,190. Most days are around $2,500. There's no extra fee for luggage in First, and changes weren't free back in 1973 either.

jspira Jul 23, 2018 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 29991073)
There were no FF programs until 1981

Not correct. United had a program that started in 1972 (the airline had already maintained customer data for decades at that point so the airline finally mined it), Texas International's program started in1979, and Western's started the following year.

American and multiple other airlines founded their respective programs in 1981 and 1982.

As a sidenote, Pan Am was late to the frequent flyer table with World Pass but the airline was widely recognized for the program's innovations, namely that hitting a specified threshold would give the member an actual 30-day World Pass supported by PAA's network. The initial enrollment solicitation mailing included a complimentary domestic round-trip ticket good for six months with no blackout dates or other conditions aside from enrolling in World Pass. The response rate on this mailing (to 80,000 people) was possibly a record for any DM piece, roughly 50%.

YHVH Jul 23, 2018 9:32 pm

Well ...., we deserve it, we keep this ....ing airline in business, not the economy and award flyers blowing their amex bonus all at once on some lame ... trip to paris or some other generic "dream vacation" spot.


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