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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 9:39 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanegod
Yuck, wouldn't it make more sense to stick the A321's on longer transcon routes and place the older/powerless/PTV-less 757's on the short hops to Florida?
All the 757s are likely to be refurbed with pivot bins, AVOD and AC power even before there are twenty A321s in the DL fleet.

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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 9:58 pm
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Oh man. Those aft lavs look even smaller than the 739.
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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by GagaPilot
Any ideas as to what routes the older 757's will be doing? I can remember when the ATL-MCO hops were routinely 767s.
I assume some will be updated with new interiors and kept for a few more years, while some will be retired with more 737-900's and A321's coming in. If anything I probably see some of the older 757's do some hub-hub flights like ATL-MSP, ATL-DTW, and ATL-JFK.
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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
Oh God no, not ATL-MCO. This is awful. They need to keep those things in DTW and MSP. I guess I will be flying out of DAB after the invasion of those things.
Well you're in luck with DAB, it's all 717's, MD88's, MD90's, and 757's.
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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 11:22 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanegod
I assume some will be updated with new interiors and kept for a few more years, while some will be retired with more 737-900's and A321's coming in. If anything I probably see some of the older 757's do some hub-hub flights like ATL-MSP, ATL-DTW, and ATL-JFK.
I would think the remaining 757s will be doing beach markets like LAX - Hawaii, LAX - Mexico, and LAX - Central America.
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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
Because that's where he Airbus' originally came from. They should bring all the 757's home to ATL. You guys threw a fit when the MD-88/90 showed at MSP so I'm just saying you guys should get your Airbus' back.
I'm just curious, why do you hate the Airbus? Is it the barking dog noise or the ghetto interiors.
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Old Jan 31, 2016 | 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by SJC ORD LDR
I'm just curious, why do you hate the Airbus? Is it the barking dog noise or the ghetto interiors.
I never liked how Airbus cheated their way into being a major aircraft manufacturer. Airbus is the creation of three European governments and was financially backed by those governments. Boeing and MD both had to deal with the reality of possible financial ruin and MD ultimately had to face that reality. Airbus never had to deal with such risks or deal with free market principles. A Boeing executive told us during a presentation at my university that the 737 was pretty much the only thing keeping Boeing alive during the 787 design and production. Airbus will never have to deal with such problems. Everyone has their quirks and not flying on any Airbus is one of mine. . I'm a PMDL flyer so Delta fit my needs perfectly. A great network to the places I wanted to fly and not an Airbus in sight.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
I never liked how Airbus cheated their way into being a major aircraft manufacturer. Airbus is the creation of three European governments and was financially backed by those governments. Boeing and MD both had to deal with the reality of possible financial ruin and MD ultimately had to face that reality. Airbus never had to deal with such risks or deal with free market principles. A Boeing executive told us during a presentation at my university that the 737 was pretty much the only thing keeping Boeing alive during the 787 design and production. Airbus will never have to deal with such problems. Everyone has their quirks and not flying on any Airbus is one of mine. . I'm a PMDL flyer so Delta fit my needs perfectly. A great network to the places I wanted to fly and not an Airbus in sight.
Fair enough. I'm hoping that at least the new Airbus interiors are better than the ghetto interiors that DL currently has.

As for the way the company was created, I'm not a fan of it. If Boeing flopped as badly on a superjumbo as Airbus did with the A380, Boeing would have gone bankrupt. Airbus is different. Luckily, very few routes I fly are on an Airbus, so I can avoid them. I hate them, but for different reasons.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 12:11 am
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
Because that's where he Airbus' originally came from. They should bring all the 757's home to ATL. You guys threw a fit when the MD-88/90 showed at MSP so I'm just saying you guys should get your Airbus' back.
No, I want the DC-9s back. Also, I'll keep the A330s and 747s for international please, not those horrible 767s (including the domestic version). BTW, we had 757s before the merger and all of our A319/320s had 16 FC seats.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 12:19 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
No, I want the DC-9s back. Also, I'll keep the A330s and 747s for international please, not those horrible 767s (including the domestic version). BTW, we had 757s before the merger and all of our A319/320s had 16 FC seats.
I forgot about NWA's small 757 fleet. Delta was and still is the largest operator of the 757/767. But I'm with you that things were better before merger mania. The deck has really been stacked against the customer and despite being wildly profitable Delta's CEO is still trying to stifle competition. It's sad.
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I actually prefer the airbus due to the width. While the 757 would be preferred, DL'S new reconfigures basically ruin all of the spacial benefits a 757 had....
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by planecrazy63
Based on the seat map for DL2018 on 5/25 (ATL-MCO) it appears we will see.

20 first class (row 1-5)
29 Economy comfort (rows 10-14 - row 13 only has 2 seats on the D-F side)
143 economy seats
An interesting comparison is against the newer pre-merger AA A321 configuration, which is:

16 first class
36 main cabin extra
129 economy

So Delta is somehow managing to put 172 coach seats in compared to AA's 165, even though Delta has an extra row of F.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by dw
An interesting comparison is against the newer pre-merger AA A321 configuration, which is:

16 first class
36 main cabin extra
129 economy

So Delta is somehow managing to put 172 coach seats in compared to AA's 165, even though Delta has an extra row of F.
For one thing, AA maintains a proper bulkhead between F and Y as well as a reasonable amount of legroom in the first row of each cabin. Those decisions account for some of the "wasted" space in the AA configuration.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by davetravels
Yesterday, checking an itin that had a schedule change, I noticed that my JFK/CDG DL404 on Aug 8 is showing a Boeing 777-300ER!

When you try to book it, it just says - Boeing 777, but on my itin page, and on the seat map graphic page, it says - Boeing 777-300ER.
Maybe they moved you to Air France ?
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by United_727
Maybe they moved you to Air France ?
Nope. I checked. It's DL404. 1/2/1 up front. The seat map is showing the exact same config as the DL B777-200ER/LR on SeatGuru, so, I guess it's just another simple IT error.

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