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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Nov 24, 2017, 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
So, wait, you can fly on a global upgrade certificate after the expiration date provided the upgrade cleared before the expiration date?
It depends. You certainly can't waitlist. If OY space is immediately available for confirmation, it has always been discretionary - especially if there is no other space, and your flight is a month or less from expiration (I did this once with an RUC and a supervisor was fine with it because it wasn't domestic D1 and the flights were less than a month after expiration).

The reissue desk seems to think it happens and they are cool with it. And they should be!

DELTA, IF YOU ARE READING: thanks for making GUCs near impossible to use nowadays. Can you at least let us redeem them before expiration date regardless of flight date? Just publish that into the rules. UA allows a 6 month courtesy waiver now past expiration, and AA allows it for up to another year based on a customer's value score (Helix).

It just seems crappy that GUC space is rarely available, agents are so poorly trained to use them, and when we can find space and its a 2 week difference, to get so much flack from you all! The flight I ended up redeeming it on is before when my choice benefit selections for that year expired even.
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Old Nov 24, 2017, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
It depends. You certainly can't waitlist.
Not true. Certainly you can waitlist, as long as you can find an agent willing to do so.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
UA allows a 6 month courtesy waiver now past expiration
minor caveat: per the UA forum thread, this is true if the customer has requalified for 1K/GS, which seems fair.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 9:20 am
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Data points:
2x GUCs upgrades confirmed on MSP-AMS Dec 11, 2017
more GUC availability on same segment Dec 13, 2017 (6 seats said available)

2x GUC waitlisted on JFK-AMS on Dec 14, 2017

2x GUC confirmed on AMS-MSP on Dec 19, 2017 (8 more available)
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 6:08 pm
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GRB-DTW-ICN 11/23. GUC cleared at gate. 1 GUC for main cabin to D1 Suite. It can be done. They changed the equipment on the return to 747 with 26 D1 seats open2 days out. Lucky me may get to fly one of the 1st of the A350s and one of the last of the 747s. I am pumped.

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Old Nov 26, 2017, 12:58 am
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Recently used a GUC on a KLM flight and showed Z fare class once I applied it, my connecting flight got changed, delta rebooked me in (I) in delta one... might I have gotten a free upgrade without using a GUC as the cleared GUC are coded (OY) anyone had experience clearing ahead of time and having a flight change with no GUC being used?
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Old Nov 26, 2017, 1:12 am
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Originally Posted by DENQR
Recently used a GUC on a KLM flight and showed Z fare class once I applied it, my connecting flight got changed, delta rebooked me in (I) in delta one... might I have gotten a free upgrade without using a GUC as the cleared GUC are coded (OY) anyone had experience clearing ahead of time and having a flight change with no GUC being used?
Definitely would not have gotten a free upgrade. Likely OY was unavailable on the new flight so instead of overbooking into your reissued class (Z) they just even exchanged it for a reissue in I. This could net you better mileage earning than OY tied to a main cabin underlying fare.

If the rebooking was automatic, you might luck out if you call to change to flights of your choice under the schedule change provisions, as agent may pay attention to I class and rebook, without insisting on OY space on the new flights.
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Old Nov 26, 2017, 9:19 pm
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Shocked to find immediately confirmable space for LAX-TYO in January. Both ways. Multiple seats!

Called first to DM line. GUCs technically expire in late December, and flights in mid January. Told agent would like to upgrade myself roundtrip and keep the other person on my record in W (they had cleared into SU with me).

Agent puts me on hold. Consults a male supervisor, who after doing some research while I'm on hold for 10 minutes at a time, says no, I cannot use them for a flight after they expire, despite confirmable space now, despite it being less than a month after expiration, and despite DL screwing up earlier this year at the gate in an outstation and not allowing me to use them when space was available. Phone agent said different Supervisors allow different things. LOL.

HUCA. Asked for international reissues directly. Agent pulls up reservation and sees note from previous agent/supervisor that I cannot apply GUCs.

She asks for the codes and expiration dates and goes - WHAT? - these certificates are still valid! Then she goes on to explain that she is part of the back office team who processes GUCs in the background when agents queue them up, and that they process GUCs into confirmable space as long as the GUC isn't expired by date of processing. She said she sees it in more than half of cases that the GUC expires a little before the actual flight, but is queued up to clear and be reissued before expiration.

She apologized for the misinformation from the previous agents. She immediately reissued me into OY and then, once she saw my companion lost their SU, reissued their ticket into Comfort+ without additional charge.

She asked me if I found these GUCs harder to use recently - then had a nice chat (she said phone lines were dead, unsurprisingly) about how I thought they became even harder to use after Ed took over for Richard. She agreed. We also talked about the Medallion upgrade on the transcons; she had heard about it but didn't seem to mind because she mentioned those flights enjoy her travel pattern.

Once again: inconsistent, poor service from the DM Desk, and the experts at the international reissue desk (she was telling me that agent training for that desk is grueling) took excellent care of me! Gave her a JWD certificate.
The issue is, the ticketing agent was wrong. Certs are not valid for travel past expiration. Whether the space can be confirmed immediately or not. So by the agent being wrong, it makes every other agent's job harder.

The DM agent was following the rules. Hard to say it was poor service when he went to a supervisor and asked for an exception. You may not have liked the answer, but it was correct, and the DM agent didn't even have to go to a Supe, but they did.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's an unreasonable exception to make, and that's likely why the DM agent asked.
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Old Nov 26, 2017, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by WidgetTravels
The issue is, the ticketing agent was wrong. Certs are not valid for travel past expiration. Whether the space can be confirmed immediately or not. So by the agent being wrong, it makes every other agent's job harder.

The DM agent was following the rules. Hard to say it was poor service when he went to a supervisor and asked for an exception. You may not have liked the answer, but it was correct, and the DM agent didn't even have to go to a Supe, but they did.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's an unreasonable exception to make, and that's likely why the DM agent asked.
1.) If the internationally trained reissue agent - who is much more trained and knowledgable than any DM agent or "Lead" - is saying it happens many times and they allow it, it gives me pause to what you posted above. That being followed by a question of how I feel about upgrade clearing says it all.

2.) Why must the customer suffer a penalty or loss, in your narrative, when DL previously screwed up in applying these to a flight, still prior to expiration, where agents were improperly trained on processing. Flight pushed back with empty J seats. A waste for everyone.

Customer service assured me I could use my certs for confirmable space prior to expiration. In writing. So, the agent and the lead, as usual, just made stuff up to let another customer down.

No wonder I am booking away more and more from DL, as such attitudes, service, and inconsistency seem to be the new normal.
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Old Nov 26, 2017, 9:45 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
1.) If the internationally trained reissue agent - who is much more trained and knowledgable than any DM agent or "Lead" - is saying it happens many times and they allow it, it gives me pause to what you posted above. That being followed by a question of how I feel about upgrade clearing says it all.

2.) Why must the customer suffer a penalty or loss, in your narrative, when DL previously screwed up in applying these to a flight, still prior to expiration, where agents were improperly trained on processing. Flight pushed back with empty J seats. A waste for everyone.

Customer service assured me I could use my certs for confirmable space prior to expiration. In writing. So, the agent and the lead, as usual, just made stuff up to let another customer down.

No wonder I am booking away more and more from DL, as such attitudes, service, and inconsistency seem to be the new normal.
1.) Reissue agents aren't trained on frontline policy. They're trained on ticketing, fares, etc. They do not take frontline calls and thus are not trained on frontline policy (which this is). There are many agents on that desk that haven't taken a frontline call in a decade. They're very smart, but not for many questions people on this forum say to ask them about. The old Systemwides just had to be booked by expiration, not traveled by (which is likely what the agent was thinking).

2.) This is a different point. I said in my last post it was a reasonable exception to make (I would've done everything I could to honor it), especially coupled with what you say occurred on a prior flight.

The frontline agent and supervisor were 100% correct in what the rules actually are. Obviously there are situations that call for exceptions to be made, but in saying that, exceptions opens the door to inconsistency when the next agent follows the rules. Consistent rules are fair to everyone. If someone calls later and tries to get upgrade space on your flight but can't because you've used a certificate past when you should, is that fair?

I see it all the time when people get added to the standby list within 3 hours of departure for a Certificate (also against the rules). It makes me the bad guy when I'm obeying policy (and being fair to the other potential Plats/Diamonds on the flight).

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Old Nov 26, 2017, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by WidgetTravels
1.) Reissue agents aren't trained on frontline policy. They're trained on ticketing, fares, etc. They do not take frontline calls and thus are not trained on frontline policy (which this is). There are many agents on that desk that haven't taken a frontline call in a decade. They're very smart, but not for many questions people on this forum say to ask them about. The old Systemwides just had to be booked by expiration, not traveled by (which is likely what the agent was thinking).

2.) This is a different point. I said in my last post it was a reasonable exception to make (I would've done everything I could to honor it), especially coupled with what you say occurred on a prior flight.

The frontline agent and supervisor were 100% correct in what the rules actually are. Obviously there are situations that call for exceptions to be made, but in saying that, exceptions opens the door to inconsistency when the next agent follows the rules. Consistent rules are fair to everyone. If someone calls later and tries to get upgrade space on your flight but can't because you've used a certificate past when you should, is that fair?

I see it all the time when people get added to the standby list within 3 hours of departure for a Certificate (also against the rules). It makes me the bad guy when I'm obeying policy (and being fair to the other potential Plats/Diamonds on the flight).
I can't add further to the mindset or knowledge of the reissue agent without making assumptions. I will say it seems even DL employees can't keep up with the constant policy changes.

As to # 2 - I agree with you that the letter of the current terms makes me incorrect, when not considering my circumstances - but I was upfront with the agent, and got the suspicion that neither the supervisor or agent did any digging or made attempts to help.

They simply wanted to read the Ts&Cs and leave a note to deny. To me, in comparison to DL, and given my documentation, is poor service in this instance. I think we can both agree on that, that situationally the agent and lead should have done better. I have never asked for or received a certificate exemption before because of the rules; in this instance, I thought my history would make it a less than 10 min call (not even close, unfortunately).

You said you would have expended efforts to get it honored. From my end, it seemed they just had to be willing to key in the certificate numbers and send it off for reticketing. It seemed they just refused to do it. It stung because DL is not known for being spiteful.

///I also think DL should allow redemption of certificates through expiration date regardless of flight date. This would be a fair change given how stingy they have become with OY inventory.
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And the rules apply to everyone but you. How nice.
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Old Nov 28, 2017, 10:19 am
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Is there an RUC success thread? Or do people not care about that type of instrument?

DENLGA Xmas week, cleared w/companion about a week ago. Flight was F9 at the time.
JFKDEN Xmas week, cleared w/companion last night. Flight was F8 at the time.

First time I took RUCs instead of GUCs, so far pleased with the process. Four down, four to use.

Jamie
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
Is there an RUC success thread? Or do people not care about that type of instrument?

DENLGA Xmas week, cleared w/companion about a week ago. Flight was F9 at the time.
JFKDEN Xmas week, cleared w/companion last night. Flight was F8 at the time.

First time I took RUCs instead of GUCs, so far pleased with the process. Four down, four to use.

Jamie
Christmas week is generally very slow / non-prem heavy. Last year flew Dec 26th LAX-JFK, I was one of 4 in J (767) and maybe 60 in Y.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 5:28 am
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Christmas week is generally very slow / non-prem heavy. Last year flew Dec 26th LAX-JFK, I was one of 4 in J (767) and maybe 60 in Y.
Agreed. I considered as much, but since traveling with the wife figured it would make sense to improve my chances with certs. I suspect JFKCUN will be tougher in March because we are traveling at school vaca peak and F fares were pretty reasonable to begin with.
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