***NEW***Baggage rules January 2013 — Postponed
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Same here and it was cost serious time and money to adjust to this terrible plan.
It just amazes me that Aegean Air, Cyprus Air, SAS, and others do this for for me (when 2nd ticket is DL) but DL will not.
You know one thing on the money front is if DL is late with my luggage again where SAS or whoever is the last carrier, it is SAS that has to give me money for clothes and deliver my suitcase to my final destination.
Now when I go to MSQ next April, I will fly into FRA, have an 8 hour layover to catch Belavia Airlines to MSQ and be forced out into the main terminal waiting for the 2 hour check-in before I can go to the lounge. On the return, I will have to spend the night at FRA to make this work.
It just amazes me that Aegean Air, Cyprus Air, SAS, and others do this for for me (when 2nd ticket is DL) but DL will not.
You know one thing on the money front is if DL is late with my luggage again where SAS or whoever is the last carrier, it is SAS that has to give me money for clothes and deliver my suitcase to my final destination.
Now when I go to MSQ next April, I will fly into FRA, have an 8 hour layover to catch Belavia Airlines to MSQ and be forced out into the main terminal waiting for the 2 hour check-in before I can go to the lounge. On the return, I will have to spend the night at FRA to make this work.
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Because DOT looks at the "itinerary" not the "ticket" once DL checks bags through onto segments separately tickted, those downstream segments are covered by the original baggage allowance. If you are ticketed AAA-BBB on ticket #1 and then BBB-CCC-DDD on ticket #2, the carrier flying you from CCC-DDD is theoretically bound by the AAA-BBB baggage allowance, but has no way of even knowing that the segment existed, that you flew it or what your allowance was.
Given that "ticket" is a defined term, widely understood and has existed since the beginning of commercial air travel, if DOT amended the rule to cover a "ticket" rather than an "itinerary" this problem would go away and frankly, it is likely that more consumers would gain than lose.
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Not interlining on a separate ticket is unfortunate however seems pretty much par for the course these days (EU carriers have been doing this for a few years now).
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And as for those people saying HA already has this policy in place - that hasn't been the case the two trips I've taken to the islands this year. In July I flew out of LIH on HA and changed over to DL on a separate ticket and my baggage was checked all the way through. Same thing out of OGG in January.
http://www.flyertalk.com/the-gate/bl...t-tickets.html
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BA is also notorious for not interlining. I've never had problems, but I seem to be in the minority (status, maybe). I believe QF will not interline on separate tickets either. Frankly, I think folks need to prepare themselves for more of this across all carriers.
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It's not required by the new DOT rules, but the new DOT rules have made compliance so difficult that interlining bags onto a separate PNR creates too many problems and the likelihood of a violation of the rules.
Because DOT looks at the "itinerary" not the "ticket" once DL checks bags through onto segments separately tickted, those downstream segments are covered by the original baggage allowance. If you are ticketed AAA-BBB on ticket #1 and then BBB-CCC-DDD on ticket #2, the carrier flying you from CCC-DDD is theoretically bound by the AAA-BBB baggage allowance, but has no way of even knowing that the segment existed, that you flew it or what your allowance was.
Given that "ticket" is a defined term, widely understood and has existed since the beginning of commercial air travel, if DOT amended the rule to cover a "ticket" rather than an "itinerary" this problem would go away and frankly, it is likely that more consumers would gain than lose.
Because DOT looks at the "itinerary" not the "ticket" once DL checks bags through onto segments separately tickted, those downstream segments are covered by the original baggage allowance. If you are ticketed AAA-BBB on ticket #1 and then BBB-CCC-DDD on ticket #2, the carrier flying you from CCC-DDD is theoretically bound by the AAA-BBB baggage allowance, but has no way of even knowing that the segment existed, that you flew it or what your allowance was.
Given that "ticket" is a defined term, widely understood and has existed since the beginning of commercial air travel, if DOT amended the rule to cover a "ticket" rather than an "itinerary" this problem would go away and frankly, it is likely that more consumers would gain than lose.
Roy LaHood (Secretary of DOT) is a Republican and was trying to craft a rule that would make the various airlines work out a private sector solution. LaHood is retiring and it's a big risk that the next Secretary will be in favor of a private sector solution. The Airlines may regret dragging their feet on this.
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Why would it amaze you? I would think a tiny regional carrier like Aegean, whose business model relies on shuttling vacationers to the islands, sees a much higher percentage of sales coming from these sorts of tickets than a major airline like DL. They cater to it because it is part and parcel of their business model. It is a distraction and extra cost for DL.
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Why would it amaze you? I would think a tiny regional carrier like Aegean, whose business model relies on shuttling vacationers to the islands, sees a much higher percentage of sales coming from these sorts of tickets than a major airline like DL. They cater to it because it is part and parcel of their business model. It is a distraction and extra cost for DL.
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That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
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If you read Xeno's previous postings in this thread, that is impossible because DL does not fly to some destinations. That is the problem that many people are talking about... you can fly DL to get close to the destination, but then have to go to another airline for the final leg. Now instead of staying in security, you have to leave (which will often involve immigration and customs), recheck at ticketing, and go through security again.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.