***NEW***Baggage rules January 2013 — Postponed
Oct 26, 2012, 2:19 pm
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Unlike every decision the last 15 years, this one will actually drive bookings away from Delta.com and back to either phone agents or traditional travel agents. Unless one is dealing with a web-only fare special, a traditional travel agent can combine multiple carriers on one ticket and issue the ticket at the lowest (combined) fare.
So, for the first time since 1995, Delta has made a policy change that will actually drive business to travel agents. I may have to find one now. I am not in this situation very often, but it is a real need at times to use two different airlines, particularly internationally.
So, for the first time since 1995, Delta has made a policy change that will actually drive business to travel agents. I may have to find one now. I am not in this situation very often, but it is a real need at times to use two different airlines, particularly internationally.
Oct 26, 2012, 2:20 pm
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Oct 26, 2012, 3:22 pm
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Oct 26, 2012, 3:23 pm
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Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Oct 26, 2012, 3:29 pm
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Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Oct 26, 2012, 3:47 pm
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Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
This is being done for the same cost-cutting reason that has been done outside of the US years before January 20, 2009 and in the US before then too: to avoid being the carrier responsible for paying for mishandled bags.
This is a cost-cutting exercise by DL and was considered by DL for implementation long before January 20, 2009.
Here's another fact: even after January 20, 2009, AA arrived at a policy that allows for interlined bags on separately ticketed itineraries when dealing with other OW airlines. DL doesn't even want to deal with separately ticketed itineraries with regard to even some of the Skyteam airlines.
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Oct 26, 2012, 3:56 pm
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It's still part of a cost-cutting exercise by the airline.
Oct 26, 2012, 4:00 pm
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Oct 26, 2012, 4:19 pm
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I don't know about this...before I got into the FF game, I would simply go to kayak or some other OTA and book the cheapest flight..on more than a couple occasions that involved taking off on one metal and connecting to a different metal...not part of the same alliance...so, it was actually back in my kettle days that I was most likely to do this. Of course, as a perpetual FO/GM I'm probably viewed as a kettle by all those above me in the medallion pecking order.
If one goes to kayak (or wherever) and books a flight it will be on one ticket regardles of carriers and the bags thru check even under the new rules.
Oct 26, 2012, 4:22 pm
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To the contrary, they are likely often Ma and Pa Kettle, who don't know that by calling an airline or a TA they may be able to put flights on one ticket that online they can not get to book together on one ticket. They just book online and book the cheapest fare and perhaps every airline flight with each airline directly, or otherwise they book what they can get online.
Oct 26, 2012, 4:28 pm
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The fact of the matter is that this service element is being gutted by DL for the same reason it was done by non-US airlines that don't even fly to/from the US even five or more years ago: airline-pursued cost-savings, irrespective of the customer-unfriendly nature of the service reduction.
Oct 26, 2012, 5:18 pm
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Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
Delta is only following the law. I know we are not supposed to be political, but this is a current administration policy. IMHO an obvious unecessary regulation designed to protect the consumer. Expect other airlines to follow the law very soon after Delta complies.
DL should thank it's lucky stars that Obama didn't put Jim Oberstar in as Secratary of the DOT. Though if they did HIBRES would likely double in size.
Oct 26, 2012, 10:09 pm
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99/100 cases such a ticket can not be bough.
DL will not ticket airline XX.
Airline XX will not ticket DL.
Therefore, impossible to have both on the same ticket.
Vast majority of time that is why pax fly on different tix.
Other times it may be that to buy one ticket to final destination is, say $4800. To buy it to one city before final destination is $1200 and then just $60 for the final connector as a separate ticket. But if you get it ticketed by DL to final dest (IF DL can ticket airline XX, and often they can't), DL wants $3600 for that $60 flight (I've seen this numerous times).
DL will not ticket airline XX.
Airline XX will not ticket DL.
Therefore, impossible to have both on the same ticket.
Vast majority of time that is why pax fly on different tix.
Other times it may be that to buy one ticket to final destination is, say $4800. To buy it to one city before final destination is $1200 and then just $60 for the final connector as a separate ticket. But if you get it ticketed by DL to final dest (IF DL can ticket airline XX, and often they can't), DL wants $3600 for that $60 flight (I've seen this numerous times).
Oct 26, 2012, 10:13 pm
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Exactly.
It is very rare that a one ticket itinerary cannot be booked and also there is no problem to combine multiple carriers. The only issue is with LCC- although in the USA I don't think this is nearly the issue it can be in Europe where we have Ryanair, Easyjet, Windjet, Wizzair, etc etc etc.
It is very rare that a one ticket itinerary cannot be booked and also there is no problem to combine multiple carriers. The only issue is with LCC- although in the USA I don't think this is nearly the issue it can be in Europe where we have Ryanair, Easyjet, Windjet, Wizzair, etc etc etc.