***NEW***Baggage rules January 2013 — Postponed
Oct 26, 2012, 7:57 am
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If you read Xeno's previous postings in this thread, that is impossible because DL does not fly to some destinations. That is the problem that many people are talking about... you can fly DL to get close to the destination, but then have to go to another airline for the final leg. Now instead of staying in security, you have to leave (which will often involve immigration and customs), recheck at ticketing, and go through security again.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:09 am
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Try doing that on the DL.com website...
Realistically, using expedia or travelocity aren't an option anymore either since you don't know if you're getting one of those special reduced mileage/mqm fares, especially if combined with multiple airlines.
Realistically, using expedia or travelocity aren't an option anymore either since you don't know if you're getting one of those special reduced mileage/mqm fares, especially if combined with multiple airlines.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:15 am
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Even if you have to pay a little more for it all on one ticket it may be worth saving the hassle and improving IROPS should one of the flights be late.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:19 am
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If you read Xeno's previous postings in this thread, that is impossible because DL does not fly to some destinations. That is the problem that many people are talking about... you can fly DL to get close to the destination, but then have to go to another airline for the final leg. Now instead of staying in security, you have to leave (which will often involve immigration and customs), recheck at ticketing, and go through security again.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
That makes what could previously be done safely with a 2hr layover impossible, and now require more on the order of 4hr.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:30 am
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I agree 100% with that because it's frustrating for us when we have an IROP and someone has a separate tix on OAL. When they miss that connection with them we cannot do anything but direct them to the OAL which will probably charge them to change to another flight. We can provide better customer service when everything is on one ticket.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:38 am
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I'll take a wager that it will affect FTers way more than 1/10th of 1%. We don't fly vanilla fares that often.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:51 am
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I purchase many tickets that combine carriers which are not part of the same alliance etc- there are filed fares that can be booked- or call DL or get your travel agent to book it- the restriction may be on the delta.com website however there is not a restriction booking IATA filed fares.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:57 am
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I'm rarely affected by this rule, but I can see why this will make traveling some itineraries on DL absolutely impossible (such as the MSQ-FRA-US itinerary Xeno is describing).
Given DL's desire to monetize high-value service, I'm really surprised they can't find a way to make this work with a fee, rather than an absolute prohibition. Or to make it available for HVCs or Diamonds or BE travelers, or some other narrowed group.
Given DL's desire to monetize high-value service, I'm really surprised they can't find a way to make this work with a fee, rather than an absolute prohibition. Or to make it available for HVCs or Diamonds or BE travelers, or some other narrowed group.
Oct 26, 2012, 8:59 am
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There will be some folks inconvenienced, but this will not affect most flights taken by most FTers.
Oct 26, 2012, 9:03 am
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So you agree that only 1 in 1000 FT flyers on DL will be affected?
Oct 26, 2012, 9:03 am
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I'm rarely affected by this rule, but I can see why this will make traveling some itineraries on DL absolutely impossible (such as the MSQ-FRA-US itinerary Xeno is describing).
Given DL's desire to monetize high-value service, I'm really surprised they can't find a way to make this work with a fee, rather than an absolute prohibition. Or to make it available for HVCs or Diamonds or BE travelers, or some other narrowed group.
Given DL's desire to monetize high-value service, I'm really surprised they can't find a way to make this work with a fee, rather than an absolute prohibition. Or to make it available for HVCs or Diamonds or BE travelers, or some other narrowed group.
Oct 26, 2012, 9:08 am
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It is very rare that a one ticket itinerary cannot be booked and also there is no problem to combine multiple carriers. The only issue is with LCC- although in the USA I don't think this is nearly the issue it can be in Europe where we have Ryanair, Easyjet, Windjet, Wizzair, etc etc etc.
Oct 26, 2012, 9:12 am
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There are places where DL and SkyTeam do not go, such as the Greek islands. Or places where it isn't sensible or convenient to take DL/SkyTeam, such as for travel to NZ from the USA, which seems to require taking KE through ICN, which is quite far out-of-the way. Other examples would include Katmandu from Asia, or South Ameica to Africa or Australia, where trying to use DL/SkyTeam would greatly exceed MPM and/or there is not published fare.
Oct 26, 2012, 9:20 am
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Oct 26, 2012, 9:31 am
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It appears that many folks here were not aware that DL is a TA, which personally surprises me.
Anyways, I think it might be helpful to provide a basic example based on a trip I took this year.
Delta does not fly to SBA. The JFK-LAX-JFK was $400 on DL. Seperately, it was around $300 RT LAX-SBA-LAX (and that was going up on American Eagle, and back on United Express). So we have three separate airlines here. I called Delta, they ticketed the whole thing on one itinerary/record (the UA and AA flights were not codeshares), and the total came to $700, which is the price I would have paid had I purchased these tickets separately.
There are pros and cons of issuing these types of tickets (mostly pros), but I have done this for many years, and it seems, based on the OP's posting, that in such an itinerary, you can still check a bag all the way through.
Anyways, I think it might be helpful to provide a basic example based on a trip I took this year.
Delta does not fly to SBA. The JFK-LAX-JFK was $400 on DL. Seperately, it was around $300 RT LAX-SBA-LAX (and that was going up on American Eagle, and back on United Express). So we have three separate airlines here. I called Delta, they ticketed the whole thing on one itinerary/record (the UA and AA flights were not codeshares), and the total came to $700, which is the price I would have paid had I purchased these tickets separately.
There are pros and cons of issuing these types of tickets (mostly pros), but I have done this for many years, and it seems, based on the OP's posting, that in such an itinerary, you can still check a bag all the way through.