MQM Valuation Based on Fare Paid Now Showing on Delta.com
Sep 10, 2012, 1:21 pm
#617
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DFW
Programs: Non-Affiliated
Posts: 7,430
A program which will remain nameless had upgrades on awards. Then they were taking away when the best of the two programs were merged to create the :-:Best in Class:-: new Skymiles program.
Sep 10, 2012, 2:05 pm
#618
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seat 2B
Programs: Charter/Former 4 time DL Diamond now Platinum, AAExecPlat, MM+ on three carriers, more ...
Posts: 94
Just for the halibut, I added up my spend on Delta this year and I'm at $12,178.62. $9851.73 for business and $2326.89 personal. Not a lot and the personal MQMs earned this year account for about 45% of those MQMs earned. I've flown and booked about 124K MQMs (62 MQS) with just over 17K of that rollover. The rest are BIS.
I had a lot of gaps in my business travel this year but until recently, most of my flights were the less than 500 mile variety. The personal travel have all been cheap fares including one to CPT and another coming up to SIN.
Edited to add that the number of flown plus booked MQS is actually 74. Right at this moment I'm at 95,134 MQMs.
Edited a second time because I didn't include the spend for a personal trip I took to DC this spring. It was a weekly fare special so it was only about $200. I'm on my laptop in the SC and I don't feel like remoting into my pc at home to look at the exact amount. I may have missed some others but these numbers are really close.
I had a lot of gaps in my business travel this year but until recently, most of my flights were the less than 500 mile variety. The personal travel have all been cheap fares including one to CPT and another coming up to SIN.
Edited to add that the number of flown plus booked MQS is actually 74. Right at this moment I'm at 95,134 MQMs.
Edited a second time because I didn't include the spend for a personal trip I took to DC this spring. It was a weekly fare special so it was only about $200. I'm on my laptop in the SC and I don't feel like remoting into my pc at home to look at the exact amount. I may have missed some others but these numbers are really close.
Your numbers, and mine, and the other posts, suggest that the norm is a spend of about $12,000-$15,000 to reach Diamond, or an average of around 8-10 MQM per $1.00.
If you spend $500 to get 5,000 MQM on a RT NYC-LAX run, you are getting that normal rate of MQM return. I suspect the issue is that those who use sLUT fares are beating the 10 to a dollar rate.
Sep 10, 2012, 3:10 pm
#619
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: NWA Platinum
Posts: 191
I have thousands of miles that have accumulated in my US Bank Visa card account.
If I book Delta flights on USB website, it appears that they are booked through Expedia...does that mean that the EQMs will be only 25%?
Previously, any flights booked would accrue 100% EQMs.
If I book Delta flights on USB website, it appears that they are booked through Expedia...does that mean that the EQMs will be only 25%?
Previously, any flights booked would accrue 100% EQMs.
Sep 30, 2012, 9:59 pm
#622
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 23,066
Looks like old news on unpublished fares. Third party website fares still earn full MQM's as long as they are published fares. Nothing to see here, move along folks.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...er-2012-a.html
http://www.delta.com/skymiles/ways_t...shed/index.jsp
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...er-2012-a.html
http://www.delta.com/skymiles/ways_t...shed/index.jsp
Last edited by xliioper; Sep 30, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Oct 4, 2012, 5:08 pm
#624
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NYC, MSY
Programs: DL DM, 1.5MM, NEXUS, Sky Club Lifetime, Admirals Club Lifetime, LowValueCustomer everywhere
Posts: 6,447
Oct 23, 2012, 10:38 am
#625
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: CMH
Programs: DL GM, HH Diamond
Posts: 390
Think this through
I often wonder if DL isn't just using FT as an unofficial focus group...
Oct 23, 2012, 10:50 am
#626
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: DL FO, UA, AA, AsiaMiles, SPG, HHonors
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Just as long as you realize that this means forcing people to the cheap-o airlines, which will reduce DL loads, which means fewer flights, and fewer aircrafts, and fewer upgrades for those remaining...
I often wonder if DL isn't just using FT as an unofficial focus group...
I often wonder if DL isn't just using FT as an unofficial focus group...
Oct 23, 2012, 11:11 am
#627
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: UA Silver, BA Gold, DL Gold
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For the infrequent flier, choosing on FF program rather than price is almost always a bad deal. I'd go so far as to say that anyone earning less than 25k miles per year should choose only on price, schedule, and comfort. The expected value from the FF miles simply isn't worth chasing them.
For the frequent flier, it sort of depends how you fly and how much you value your time. I, for one, am not prone to sacrificing either time or comfort to fly on a particular airline. Now the presence of elite status can increase the comfort, pushing an airline to the front of the pack, but I don't make a habit of flying sub-optimal routings or paying more for loyalty.
Oct 23, 2012, 2:21 pm
#628
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Spire Amb, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 1MM
Posts: 3,611
1. Miles don't expire anymore.
2. 1.5 times class of service bonus for biz class compared with 1.25 on NWA
3. 500 mile minimums per segment regardless of elite status.
(not 100% sure if this was a change.)
4. More non-alliance partners (like VA) for redemption.
Yeah, I know this list isn't terribly impressive, but it's all I can think of...
Oct 23, 2012, 2:23 pm
#629
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 198
Who knows. I do know I booked and ILM to BIL trip last week flying today. Normally it books me to a LUT fare, but this trip booked K and B on tHe return. The ticket was $1300. If I would be earning 25 to 50 percent on my expensive LUTs I would have flow. US and saved $200. We shall see.
I will probably spend $8,000 to $9,000 this year to make FO. That is not much in the grand scheme, but it should be enough to make FO
I will probably spend $8,000 to $9,000 this year to make FO. That is not much in the grand scheme, but it should be enough to make FO
Oct 23, 2012, 4:20 pm
#630
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: HSV
Programs: DL SkyMiles PM/1.2MM, UA Premier gold/1MM, Choice diamond, Marriott gold
Posts: 1,374
And when you carry a Medallion card, it will actually mean something. You will actually be worth something to the airline.
If this is rolled out next year, THANK YOU DL! Thank you for eliminating 80 people lining up for SKY boarding, thank you for eliminating upgrade lists 70+ long, thank you for deciding to make the bold move of making your elite program actually elite.
If this is rolled out next year, THANK YOU DL! Thank you for eliminating 80 people lining up for SKY boarding, thank you for eliminating upgrade lists 70+ long, thank you for deciding to make the bold move of making your elite program actually elite.