FC passengers - attitude
Sep 10, 2011, 8:41 pm
#61
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...but having a family myself, I would be more than willing to accomodate a mom and child together even if it put me in a less "desirable" seat. Seriously, come back to coach with the rest of us every once in a while.... When I am lucky enough to sit up front, I could care less which seat it is....
does he want a song and dance to go along with someone doing him a favor?
Sep 10, 2011, 8:46 pm
#62
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you may think it's a small inconvenience, and i have no problem with the op asking folks if they would mind switching seats, but when you are asking someone to do something for you. it is good to keep in mind that they are still doing you a favor by accommodating. however small you think that favor is, don't act like it's small, and don't have an attitude because you perceive something in their face - which, for all we know, might have been a misinterpretation.
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
Sep 10, 2011, 8:57 pm
#63
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"...just keep on livin'"
Sep 10, 2011, 9:05 pm
#64
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Just curious - could we have a show of hands here, including the OP:
How many here are familiar with Delta's Contract of Carriage?
Note the interesting part that says "Delta may ... change seat assignments ... at any time."
Remember, you agree to be bound by the CoC every time you purchase a ticket on Delta. Just like you agreed to that iTunes license agreement when you installed iTunes on your computer as part of your iPhone activation. You DID read the iTunes license agreement, didn't you?
How many here are familiar with Delta's Contract of Carriage?
Note the interesting part that says "Delta may ... change seat assignments ... at any time."
Remember, you agree to be bound by the CoC every time you purchase a ticket on Delta. Just like you agreed to that iTunes license agreement when you installed iTunes on your computer as part of your iPhone activation. You DID read the iTunes license agreement, didn't you?
Sep 10, 2011, 9:09 pm
#65
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you may think it's a small inconvenience, and i have no problem with the op asking folks if they would mind switching seats, but when you are asking someone to do something for you. it is good to keep in mind that they are still doing you a favor by accommodating. however small you think that favor is, don't act like it's small, and don't have an attitude because you perceive something in their face - which, for all we know, might have been a misinterpretation.
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
Sep 10, 2011, 9:12 pm
#66
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I find this thread very entertaining...reminds me of something hmmm.
Sep 10, 2011, 9:16 pm
#67
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Perhaps some are mispercieving the OP as well? After the fact he had an attitude...we do not know how he approached the other passengers. I agree that if someone want you to do them a favor, you need to ask nicely, as a supplicant! Perhaps the OP did exactly that? The attitude that disturbs me is the attempt to make every assumption against the OP to justify the "what is mine is MINE" mentality. At the end of the day, it's a seat.
you may think it's a small inconvenience, and i have no problem with the op asking folks if they would mind switching seats, but when you are asking someone to do something for you. it is good to keep in mind that they are still doing you a favor by accommodating. however small you think that favor is, don't act like it's small, and don't have an attitude because you perceive something in their face - which, for all we know, might have been a misinterpretation.
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
You REALLY think that the OP "misinterpreted" 2B? …come on we ALL know the difference between a
& a 
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Sep 10, 2011, 9:22 pm
#68
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Observations & Value Judgments are two different things. You implied that he used the word "elite" to convey superiority instead of indicating that everyone in his party was a very frequent flier (Medallion). MOST people here understand what is meant & withhold any prejudice unless syntax dictates otherwise. @:-)
Sep 10, 2011, 9:30 pm
#69
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I don't want to sound harsh, I love kids, have some of my own, however, why should I have to move my preselected seat because of your child? I hate the aisle, never sit in an aisle and wouldnt want to be in an aisle. I know it is for a child, but it is not MY child and why should I give up the enjoyment of my flight for yours?
Many of us choose a specific seat on a plane for specific reasons, sorry there was an airline switch and your 3 yr old (who would not even remember or enjoy the fact that she was in first) is no more important than me and my status.
I hate when people think they are entitled to special privileges just because they are traveling with a child. I personally do not think children belong in FC in the first place,
Many of us choose a specific seat on a plane for specific reasons, sorry there was an airline switch and your 3 yr old (who would not even remember or enjoy the fact that she was in first) is no more important than me and my status.
I hate when people think they are entitled to special privileges just because they are traveling with a child. I personally do not think children belong in FC in the first place,
Sep 10, 2011, 9:47 pm
#70
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If the man moved, that should have been the end of the story. I see no reason to start a thread to then bash him for his attitude rather than just being grateful for his behavior.
Sep 10, 2011, 9:50 pm
#71
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Really….then let’s break it on down…
I’m not “assuming they are different. They are not synonyms. The CAN exist concurrently. But my statement, as quoted, is true.
Common usage of the word “Elite” in the FlyerTalk Delta Forum (including PMNW & PMDL) is understood to mean a frequent flyer who has crossed one of the 25K, 50K, 75K, or 125K mile threshholds, BUT using PMNW terminology. It is also used as an adjective for “superior”. If you did not mean one of these two commonly accepted meanings, I sincerely apologize…but have no idea how you expected ANYONE to understand what you meant. A further explanation would be most helpful.
Do we really need to start a poll to confirm this. I didn’t think so. (The withhold prejudice thing was meant tongue-in-cheek.)
Anything else?
PPP
I’m not “assuming they are different. They are not synonyms. The CAN exist concurrently. But my statement, as quoted, is true.
Anything else?
PPP
Sep 10, 2011, 9:52 pm
#72
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Sadly the old NW 757's haunt me weekly.... You can paint a new logo on the plane, but the inside is still much the same....
^^
you may think it's a small inconvenience, and i have no problem with the op asking folks if they would mind switching seats, but when you are asking someone to do something for you. it is good to keep in mind that they are still doing you a favor by accommodating. however small you think that favor is, don't act like it's small, and don't have an attitude because you perceive something in their face - which, for all we know, might have been a misinterpretation.
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
after all, the only one that we know for sure had an attitude about the situation is the op!
Sep 10, 2011, 10:01 pm
#73
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Sep 10, 2011, 10:07 pm
#74
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I don't have any kids, but I fly enough. In my experience, there are some people that have to have "their seat" (no judgement, some people want a certain seat and won't move - I ask nicely, then move onto the next group). But, plenty of people (myself included) would basically swap anyone for any seat at any time. Plenty of people (including myself) get upgraded into separated seats EVEN on the same PNR. I am fortunate that my success rate is 100% on finding SOMEONE willing to switch. As a "thank you", I will always put myself into the less desirable seat of the situation (bulkhead, last row of FC, etc). Just asking nicely has always worked for me, and never has an FA had to get involved.
Just play nice! That's all it takes!
Just play nice! That's all it takes!
I used to be that guy. I still am, in many ways....
If I ever travel with companion, I do not expect people to change seats to accommodate. I will ask, provided that I can offer them a better seat. If u/g to two windows, I would not even think of putting the aisle person in the position of guilt to trade. I tend to plan ahead( i know this case would be different due to equip change), but I block at least one desirable seat if possible.....
I have often changed seats to accommodate others - many times on my own due to observation.... However, I have often denied people due to an expectation/presumption that I am less entitled to a seat than they are. I have reasons why I may not swap, many due to being burned in the past for being the nice guy. If I decline, that should be the end of it...
Being nice does not necessarily mean that you have to abide by everyone else's wishes and desires. There is nothing wrong with politely saying no.
Sep 10, 2011, 10:26 pm
#75
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Yes, those were the wrong assumptions. You incorrectly assumed which assumptions I was referring to.
You assumed I was making a value judgement. I was not.
You assumed that I didn't think most people knew what an elite was (hence the poll remark). I never said that.
You assumed I was holding prejudice. I was not.
The other points you made I have not disagreed with. I'm not saying that people who use the term elite are wrong, nor am I saying that people should stop saying the word elite. And I do appreciate being nostalgic, but there is no apparent nostalgia in the OP. The observation is that people use the word elite even though nothing in our program literature/paraphernalia uses that as a label.
You assumed I was making a value judgement. I was not.
You assumed that I didn't think most people knew what an elite was (hence the poll remark). I never said that.
You assumed I was holding prejudice. I was not.
The other points you made I have not disagreed with. I'm not saying that people who use the term elite are wrong, nor am I saying that people should stop saying the word elite. And I do appreciate being nostalgic, but there is no apparent nostalgia in the OP. The observation is that people use the word elite even though nothing in our program literature/paraphernalia uses that as a label.