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MSPeconomist Jul 22, 2012 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by dEagleS (Post 18982296)
I don't think Z-inventory (where the Y instant upgrade gets pulled from, right?) corresponds one-to-one with P inventory.

However, it seems the original H-UP should be higher priority, since they are supposedly treated as FC tickets, as if they don't get the FC cabin, they are owed compensation. Although, I am not sure how the computer categorizes this case.

No, free elite upgrades from full Y book into V (or X) inventory, not Z (or G), just like free elite upgrades at the window from B M H Q K L U T E fares and award tickets and pay with miles.

dEagleS Jul 22, 2012 7:53 pm

Meant to post V. Anyway, my point still stands. I don't think V/X correspond directly with P inventory.

MSPeconomist Jul 22, 2012 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by dEagleS (Post 18982338)
Meant to post V. Anyway, my point still stands. I don't think V/X correspond directly with P inventory.

No, these are different inventory buckets, although they're correlated in that if P = 0, chances are that V = 0 too but not vice versa.

Thomas Hudson Jul 22, 2012 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by fti (Post 18982106)
Full Y is indeed $1304.30. But one way Q class for the same flights is $686.30. So P is actually about $160 more than the lowest coach fare. Still, for that difference I would do it myself.

I fact checked before I approved and there was no Q fare. Just the Y fare showing for 1300 and the P for 800ish...


If P was $1 more, it would have been up to him to pay extra as it was a same day purchase... instead, he saved $400 plus dollars and got confirmed FC... I have seen Ps the same as Y but never this kooky...

dEagleS Jul 22, 2012 8:17 pm

In that scenario, how would he have procedurally paid that $1?

Thomas Hudson Jul 22, 2012 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by dEagleS (Post 18982467)
In that scenario, how would he have procedurally paid that $1?

That is a good question. A few times I have done it, I have used some banked bump $ and called and got stuff changed, but it was longer flights and it was a good bit more $... I guess he could have called Delta after he booked and paid a $1 more on his Delta Skymiles card he got from the nice people in the airport?

fti Jul 22, 2012 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 18982201)
But 2 X $686.30 > $1304.30 > P fare RT. Unless the traveller is planning to throw away the return portion of the ticket, P is still cheaper than purchasing a Q class fare.


All fares quoted by both TH and myself are one way. Not sure where you think RT comes into play. Apparently Q was not available per TH though when I checked shortly before my last post it was.

Thomas Hudson Jul 22, 2012 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by fti (Post 18982684)
All fares quoted by both TH and myself are one way. Not sure where you think RT comes into play. Apparently Q was not available per TH though when I checked shortly before my last post it was.

I promise, there was not a Q fare showing... just Y and P...

Of course, I was logged on, so it may well have been a glitch...

I just looked at the flight logged in and it only showed P fares available....

Detroiter Jul 22, 2012 9:59 pm


Originally Posted by allknowing001 (Post 18981812)
I definitely do!

I'm sure the Amex software used by my former company wouldn't even display the P fare, since it books into the F cabin. Well, that kind of simple-minded blocking probably works as intended about 98% of the time...

rwoman Jul 23, 2012 2:01 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 18981656)
Some organizations would deny the request and insist on a more expensive coach ticket.

When on government travel, I've had this happen many times - an F ticket costinag around $500 while the flexible Y ticket cost $1600...:rolleyes:

florin Jul 23, 2012 4:21 am

If you want Y then pay for it!

javabytes Jul 23, 2012 8:13 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 18982351)
No, these are different inventory buckets, although they're correlated in that if P = 0, chances are that V = 0 too but not vice versa.

I don't think they are quite so correlated. After all, the common complaint is an empty FC cabin and no upgrades at the window, with cheap FCM available. This means P >> 0 while V = 0.

MSPeconomist Jul 23, 2012 8:18 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 18984839)
I don't think they are quite so correlated. After all, the common complaint is an empty FC cabin and no upgrades at the window, with cheap FCM available. This means P >> 0 while V = 0.

This is basically what I said: Not vice versa.

P = 0 tends to imply V = 0, but NOT "V = 0 implies P = 0", which is equivalent to NOT "P > 0 implies V > 0" (as the contrapositive), or in other words P > 0 does not imply V > 0.

sethb Jul 23, 2012 8:37 am

This is a prime example of what I earlier called "First Class Anti-Monetization".

I'm still waiting for someone (not to name names) to claim that we (I) don't understand airline pricing, and Delta is making more money this way than if the P ticket cost, say, $1400.

Thomas Hudson Jul 23, 2012 8:46 am


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 18985022)
This is a prime example of what I earlier called "First Class Anti-Monetization".

I'm still waiting for someone (not to name names) to claim that we (I) don't understand airline pricing, and Delta is making more money this way than if the P ticket cost, say, $1400.

I can tell you that they lost $450 Sunday...


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