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TRAVEL REQUIREMENTS TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES STARTING NOVEMBER 8, 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...vel/index.html
IN EFFECT JANUARY 26, 2021 TO DECEMBER 31, 2021 UNLESS OTHERWISE AMENDED
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/g...ncrypted-p.pdf
FAQ
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...travelers.html
PASSENGER ATTESTATION FOR TRAVEL TO THE USA
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/a...21-01-12-p.pdf
OTHERS
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...L7PwJTTCggyB7k
ISSUED 21 JAN 2021: National Strategy for the COVID-19 Response and Pandemic Preparedness "EXECUTIVE ORDER PROMOTING COVID-19 SAFETY IN DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL" begins on page 174 of this document.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...vel/index.html
IN EFFECT JANUARY 26, 2021 TO DECEMBER 31, 2021 UNLESS OTHERWISE AMENDED
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/g...ncrypted-p.pdf
FAQ
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...travelers.html
PASSENGER ATTESTATION FOR TRAVEL TO THE USA
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/a...21-01-12-p.pdf
OTHERS
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...L7PwJTTCggyB7k
ISSUED 21 JAN 2021: National Strategy for the COVID-19 Response and Pandemic Preparedness "EXECUTIVE ORDER PROMOTING COVID-19 SAFETY IN DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL" begins on page 174 of this document.
Covid test for entry/re-entry to US [merged thread]
Jan 16, 2021, 12:29 pm
#421
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There is a HUGE difference between a TSA style test requirement at the airport and not stressing about arriving an extra hour early vs having to go out of your way in a foreign land, trying to navigate their clinic system, to get a test done. Not every random Marriott or budget motel is going to have complimentary testing services like the fancy resorts, so this will become a major problem long term unless all you're doing is simple round trips, no 2 day stopovers etc. No fast jampacked itinerary travel. Nothing long-term booked. No non-refundable travels. Not to mention emergency travel for funerals/business etc is completely cut off right now because figuring out and getting a test takes a day.
Jan 16, 2021, 12:30 pm
#422
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Good luck with that plan - not trying to give you a hard time..... because that's probably what is going to happen.....but like most insurance plans - you dont always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need..... just be prepared to stuck somewhere for an unpredictable amount of time and hope your insurance covers the Four Season and potential lost income, other expenses (let alone medical expenses) - or provides a reasonable way to get home.....
...lots of uncertainty, even in the best of circumstances.....
-m
Good luck with that plan - not trying to give you a hard time..... because that's probably what is going to happen.....but like most insurance plans - you dont always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need..... just be prepared to stuck somewhere for an unpredictable amount of time and hope your insurance covers the Four Season and potential lost income, other expenses (let alone medical expenses) - or provides a reasonable way to get home.....
...lots of uncertainty, even in the best of circumstances.....
-m
Jan 16, 2021, 12:36 pm
#423
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How can you seriously compare post 9/11 measures and what we are facing now for one year and many months to come (at least) ? Come on !
Jan 16, 2021, 12:51 pm
#424
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN29H2KD
Per the article:
"The CDC will also consider waivers of testing requirements for airlines flying to countries with little or no testing capacity, including some places in the Caribbean."
Have any more details been released on waivers for countries with limited capacity?
Per the article:
"The CDC will also consider waivers of testing requirements for airlines flying to countries with little or no testing capacity, including some places in the Caribbean."
Have any more details been released on waivers for countries with limited capacity?
Jan 16, 2021, 1:05 pm
#425
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN29H2KD
Per the article:
"The CDC will also consider waivers of testing requirements for airlines flying to countries with little or no testing capacity, including some places in the Caribbean."
Have any more details been released on waivers for countries with limited capacity?
Per the article:
"The CDC will also consider waivers of testing requirements for airlines flying to countries with little or no testing capacity, including some places in the Caribbean."
Have any more details been released on waivers for countries with limited capacity?
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Jan 16, 2021, 2:10 pm
#426
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If this is true than the rule is nothing but Security Theatre. Because either you are honestly concerned about ANY passenger bringing COVID to the USA and therefore will ban pax with no test or a positive test (no matter the "excuses"), or you are not.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Jan 16, 2021, 3:06 pm
#427
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having said that, nobody should be relying on the possibly lack of or non-existent testing capabilities in said countries to convince themselves that they will have no problems returning. no official list of countries has been published yet.
if there truly is no testing capabilities, then better dont travel there to begin with. or transit on separate tickets in a 3rd country that doesn't require testing for entry but has testing capabilities before flying back to US. everybody here should know which country that would be the most convenient for this
Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 pm
#428
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If this is true than the rule is nothing but Security Theatre. Because either you are honestly concerned about ANY passenger bringing COVID to the USA and therefore will ban pax with no test or a positive test (no matter the "excuses"), or you are not.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Jan 16, 2021, 4:47 pm
#429
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Since AA throw out amazing J deal to Brazil today and I’m tempting to go but I am aware that I need to take rapid test to comply with Brazil requirement but wonder if I can show same ex-US negative covid test at GIG or GRU airport if I’m there only less than 48 hours?
I tried to dig information if it’s acceptable to present same test as long it’s less than 72 hours between ex-U.S. test (maybe LAX or JFK) and U.S. bound flight from GIG?
I tried to dig information if it’s acceptable to present same test as long it’s less than 72 hours between ex-U.S. test (maybe LAX or JFK) and U.S. bound flight from GIG?
Jan 16, 2021, 4:53 pm
#430
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Mexico Resorts:
*Hard Rock (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*Palace Resorts (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*AM Resorts (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*Posadas Resorts (free testing and $10 a night quarantine accommodation)
plus others....
*Hard Rock (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*Palace Resorts (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*AM Resorts (free testing and free quarantine accommodation)
*Posadas Resorts (free testing and $10 a night quarantine accommodation)
plus others....
Jan 16, 2021, 5:50 pm
#431
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Since AA throw out amazing J deal to Brazil today and I’m tempting to go but I am aware that I need to take rapid test to comply with Brazil requirement but wonder if I can show same ex-US negative covid test at GIG or GRU airport if I’m there only less than 48 hours?
I tried to dig information if it’s acceptable to present same test as long it’s less than 72 hours between ex-U.S. test (maybe LAX or JFK) and U.S. bound flight from GIG?
I tried to dig information if it’s acceptable to present same test as long it’s less than 72 hours between ex-U.S. test (maybe LAX or JFK) and U.S. bound flight from GIG?
Jan 16, 2021, 5:52 pm
#432
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Here in Antigua, two higher-end resorts (Sandals and Cocobay) have announced that they will be able to conduct PCR tests for departing guests within the 72-hour requirement. They are claiming that they will have a 24-hour turnaround. That is far better than the government testing:
1. Cost is $100 for citizens, $200 for non-citizens
2. Results are taking 4 to 5 days currently
3. Testing site is only open by appointment for 4 hours per day
4. All samples are sent to Trinidad for confirmation, after the test result is given in Antigua
There is simply no way that the government will be able to efficiently test 1000 passengers per day. We are residents here, planning to return to FL on April 22nd. We think there will be more hotel options, hopefully at lower prices. We would have no problem moving to a nice resort for three days prior to departure. A 3-day stay at Sandals starts at $3200, and one at Cocobay is $1300. Considering that we would have to pay $400 for the government test, we can deduct that from the cost of the stay.
I expect more hotels here and around the world will be able to offer testing in order to keep their business.
1. Cost is $100 for citizens, $200 for non-citizens
2. Results are taking 4 to 5 days currently
3. Testing site is only open by appointment for 4 hours per day
4. All samples are sent to Trinidad for confirmation, after the test result is given in Antigua
There is simply no way that the government will be able to efficiently test 1000 passengers per day. We are residents here, planning to return to FL on April 22nd. We think there will be more hotel options, hopefully at lower prices. We would have no problem moving to a nice resort for three days prior to departure. A 3-day stay at Sandals starts at $3200, and one at Cocobay is $1300. Considering that we would have to pay $400 for the government test, we can deduct that from the cost of the stay.
I expect more hotels here and around the world will be able to offer testing in order to keep their business.
Jan 16, 2021, 6:22 pm
#433
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Do we really think the tests done at these resorts will be real/accurate? The resorts have every incentive in the world to not be in local news as a covid positive property, so it is very very very very obvious that all the "tests" done at the resorts will come back negative so they can say goodbye to the guest and their reputation intact.
Jan 16, 2021, 6:33 pm
#434
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Do we really think the tests done at these resorts will be real/accurate? The resorts have every incentive in the world to not be in local news as a covid positive property, so it is very very very very obvious that all the "tests" done at the resorts will come back negative so they can say goodbye to the guest and their reputation intact.
Let’s commit fraud because... “reputation”.
Jan 16, 2021, 6:45 pm
#435
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Dieuwer,
I am not trying to promote conspiracy theories - I am painting a picture of a little bit of reality (and based upon my knowledge of the field). Accurate, reliable, efficient testing is a little more complicated that a do-it-yourself pregnancy test (which btw, has it's limitations and requires confirmation - and works differently). There are quality controls, cleaning of equipment and calibration protocols, chain of custody, reagents, technical expertise, and so in - much of which were issues with implementing widespread testing early on..... even hospitals look for corners to cut and balance the risk/benefits (and not always to save money, but to potentially improve efficiency - some places are 'pooling'-testing, but that is another issue.. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...rocedures.html ) - do you think a resort is going to invest in the latest and greatest, most accurate/reliable, point of care testing and pay top dollar to do so - and following strict US CDC guidelines? Every industry has compromises with risk and reliability - obviously, too many positive tests might prompt a different set of problems.... but the world (and smart scientists) are still debating the "best" ways of testing..... if you want to trust the kiosk in FRA, DXB, or BOS to have the same technology as MGH (I am using your location intentionally) and central america (I only use since everyone is talking about weekend trips there), then good luck - but all of these tests have known and reported sensitivities, specificities, true/false positives/negatives, and so on.....
I am not trying to promote conspiracy theories - I am painting a picture of a little bit of reality (and based upon my knowledge of the field). Accurate, reliable, efficient testing is a little more complicated that a do-it-yourself pregnancy test (which btw, has it's limitations and requires confirmation - and works differently). There are quality controls, cleaning of equipment and calibration protocols, chain of custody, reagents, technical expertise, and so in - much of which were issues with implementing widespread testing early on..... even hospitals look for corners to cut and balance the risk/benefits (and not always to save money, but to potentially improve efficiency - some places are 'pooling'-testing, but that is another issue.. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...rocedures.html ) - do you think a resort is going to invest in the latest and greatest, most accurate/reliable, point of care testing and pay top dollar to do so - and following strict US CDC guidelines? Every industry has compromises with risk and reliability - obviously, too many positive tests might prompt a different set of problems.... but the world (and smart scientists) are still debating the "best" ways of testing..... if you want to trust the kiosk in FRA, DXB, or BOS to have the same technology as MGH (I am using your location intentionally) and central america (I only use since everyone is talking about weekend trips there), then good luck - but all of these tests have known and reported sensitivities, specificities, true/false positives/negatives, and so on.....