Best place to spend winter during a potential second wave of COVID?
#811
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- vaccine availability at your (source) location
- flight availability at the destination
- access rules at the destination
- access rules at the source when you are coming back.
- (...and many other things)
So, most likely - no.
Keep your expectations low and you might be pleasantly surprised.
I personally don’t expect things to go back to ‘normal’ until 70% of world population is vaccinated. You can get an idea how much time it will take.
#812
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And polio still exists in many countries, but mostly everyone worldwide has had the vaccine at one time or another. So, should still be immune.
I don't see any worldwide immunity up to 70% for many years to come. Most local Governments can't even contact trace and test. And it's almost a year later.
#813
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This is very generic question which depends on:
- vaccine availability at your (source) location
- flight availability at the destination
- access rules at the destination
- access rules at the source when you are coming back.
- (...and many other things)
So, most likely - no.
Keep your expectations low and you might be pleasantly surprised.
I personally don’t expect things to go back to ‘normal’ until 70% of world population is vaccinated. You can get an idea how much time it will take.
- vaccine availability at your (source) location
- flight availability at the destination
- access rules at the destination
- access rules at the source when you are coming back.
- (...and many other things)
So, most likely - no.
Keep your expectations low and you might be pleasantly surprised.
I personally don’t expect things to go back to ‘normal’ until 70% of world population is vaccinated. You can get an idea how much time it will take.
#814
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I would wager that countries will being to lift restrictions on inbound travel for people who can show proof of vaccination (perhaps similar to the yellow health card that I carry to prove my yellow fever vaccination for travel to Africa). But it isn't clear when that will happen.
I have international trips booked for June to a country that will not currently admit US residents. I am hopeful that will change but of course nobody can predict the timetable. Further it is not clear when ordinary joes (like my family) will have access to the vaccine as the first shots will be distributed to first responders and nursing homes (as they should be). However I am hoping that since a majority of people said they don't want to be dosed that we can get a good spot in line LOL
#815
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Mexico City
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Mexico has a shipment of Pfizer vaccines arriving soon and will immediately start vaccinating their health care workers, with two doses 21 days apart. The additional shipments will go to the elderly and general population. Their military personnel is being tasked at handling the distribution and logistics. Maybe Mexico might end up the place to be by the spring 😁
#816
Join Date: Nov 2020
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I missed this article from earlier in November which lists the countries aiming to bring new case incidence to 0 per day (paywall):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-coro...ny-11604399645
According to the WSJ, the following countries are going for elimination:
China/Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Vietnam
They dont count singapore or HK I don't think, which is fair
https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-coro...ny-11604399645
According to the WSJ, the following countries are going for elimination:
China/Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Vietnam
They dont count singapore or HK I don't think, which is fair
#817
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In this case, don’t expect to visit any of these any time soon. Australia already explicitly said that borders won’t open until late 2021.
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Although they may be restricted to general international tourism, hotels are open in all these places and you can see high prices for the holiday season in some cities.
#819
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Wander, in total absence of foreign tourists, how many local Thai/Vietnamese tourists are in their Marriott/Hilton...
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#821
Join Date: Nov 2020
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Thailand let in 39 Chinese tourists as the first foreign tourists in 9 months. They all have to stay minimum 30 days I think. So <some> foreigners are paying for hotels I guess 😂
#822
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Yup I expect a lot of domestic tourism in OZ/NZ and other richer countries. We spent two nights in hotels in the Southern Netherlands last week, and in both properties the staff told us they just had the busiest November ever and December has very high bookings.
#823
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Trying to book anything in Australia has been expensive and limited all year. Not sure how it has been in NZ. NZ tourism industry is heavily dependent on international tourists.
#824
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I think people are too pessimistic on summer international travel
1) Governments will be highly motivated to open things up ahead of a peak leisure season (can’t lose two in a row)
2) Vaccines will have start to have been distributed to vulnerable populations in many countries
3) Rate of spread declines in the late spring and summer - low Covid numbers will convince more countries to open up
4) A bad winter of spread means more people enter spring/summer with antibodies, which reduces spread
4) Things like rapid testing, proof of vaccine, proof of antibodies will be more common
I expect international travel to open up meaningfully in late spring / early summer
1) Governments will be highly motivated to open things up ahead of a peak leisure season (can’t lose two in a row)
2) Vaccines will have start to have been distributed to vulnerable populations in many countries
3) Rate of spread declines in the late spring and summer - low Covid numbers will convince more countries to open up
4) A bad winter of spread means more people enter spring/summer with antibodies, which reduces spread
4) Things like rapid testing, proof of vaccine, proof of antibodies will be more common
I expect international travel to open up meaningfully in late spring / early summer
#825
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Mexico City
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Here's Mexico's schedule for vaccinations starting any day now:
"According to the vaccination plan, the immunization of frontline healthcare workers using the Pfizer vaccine will begin this month and conclude in February 2021."
"In stage 2 of the vaccination plan, which will run from February to April, the government intends to immunize non-frontline health workers and people aged over 60, starting with those 80 or older. Immunization of people aged 50-59 will occur in stage 3 in April and May while those between 40 and 49 are to be vaccinated against Covid-19 in stage 4 next May and June.
In stage 5, the rest of the population will be immunized between June 2021 and March 2022."
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/cor...cination-plan/
Edit: By the way, the military is in charge of distribution and control. No comments necessary 😄
"According to the vaccination plan, the immunization of frontline healthcare workers using the Pfizer vaccine will begin this month and conclude in February 2021."
"In stage 2 of the vaccination plan, which will run from February to April, the government intends to immunize non-frontline health workers and people aged over 60, starting with those 80 or older. Immunization of people aged 50-59 will occur in stage 3 in April and May while those between 40 and 49 are to be vaccinated against Covid-19 in stage 4 next May and June.
In stage 5, the rest of the population will be immunized between June 2021 and March 2022."
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/cor...cination-plan/
Edit: By the way, the military is in charge of distribution and control. No comments necessary 😄
Last edited by Global Adventurer; Dec 9, 2020 at 9:31 am