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Aug 8, 2007 | 8:39 pm
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Any predictions or thoughts as to what routes (new or old) Continental is going to fly its 787s?
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Do you think the plane is going to have an upgraded BF cabin? Qantas' new A380 is going to have first suites, 180 degree business class seats, and a new premium economy section.
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Do you think the plane is going to have an upgraded BF cabin? Qantas' new A380 is going to have first suites, 180 degree business class seats, and a new premium economy section.
Aug 8, 2007 | 8:55 pm
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CO has been very tight-lipped about routes or new BF products on the 787. Only thing we know is that it's most likely to have 9-abreast seating, not 8, in coach.
There are quite a few threads here that will answer your questions. Here's one from a few months back. No new information since, so those are still valid:
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657463
Note that in Northwest's recent application for its China routes, they explicit say that if they win DTW-PVG in 2007, they'll start with a 744 but shift to a 788 when they arrive.
CO did not say anything at all about the 787 in its EWR-PVG application.
There are quite a few threads here that will answer your questions. Here's one from a few months back. No new information since, so those are still valid:
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657463
Note that in Northwest's recent application for its China routes, they explicit say that if they win DTW-PVG in 2007, they'll start with a 744 but shift to a 788 when they arrive.
CO did not say anything at all about the 787 in its EWR-PVG application.
Aug 8, 2007 | 10:14 pm
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Larry was actually attending meetings about this very subject today. I suspect that more information about BF details will be available within the next few weeks.
A Boeing executive gave an awesome presentation to some CO management employees this morning. Check out
http://www.newairplane.com/
This Boeing site highlights some of the best features of the 787 and it also offers a list of all carriers which have ordered the 787 to date and lists some delivery dates.
A Boeing executive gave an awesome presentation to some CO management employees this morning. Check out
http://www.newairplane.com/
This Boeing site highlights some of the best features of the 787 and it also offers a list of all carriers which have ordered the 787 to date and lists some delivery dates.
Aug 8, 2007 | 11:25 pm
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Do you know what this will translate into in terms of actual seat width reductions? And how this compares to the existing Continental fleet.
Aug 8, 2007 | 11:57 pm
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The inside cabin width of the 787 is about 16 inches more narrow than the 777, which has 9 across in coach. It would be about the same comfort as 10 across on the 777 instead of 9 across. The 787's better lighting, larger windows and smell of a new aircraft will make up for the crammed seat width.
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:15 am
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The inside cabin width of the 787 is about 16 inches more narrow than the 777, which has 9 across in coach. It would be about the same comfort as 10 across on the 777 instead of 9 across. The 787's better lighting, larger windows and smell of a new aircraft will make up for the crammed seat width.
If CO is really contemplating putting 9 across on the 787, this would mean that the coach seat would be about 1.78 inches narrower, or about 15.5 inches wide. That seems hard to believe, frankly. Currently, the narrowest coach seat in long haul coach is 16.5 inches on ANA.
Of course, they could also have narrower aisles, but there is a limit to how narrow the aisles can be, and very narrow aisles also contribute to discomfort.
Can you imagine your trip halfway arounf the world on the state-of-the-art CO 787 with its 15.5 inch wide seats and 31 seat pitch?
Slightly bigger windows and better lighting cannot make that a pleasant experience.
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Aug 9, 2007 | 5:20 am
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If CO is really contemplating putting 9 across on the 787, this would mean that the coach seat would be about 1.78 inches narrower, or about 15.5 inches wide. That seems hard to believe, frankly. Currently, the narrowest coach seat in long haul coach is 16.5 inches on ANA.
Aug 9, 2007 | 6:31 am
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FWIW searching 787* yeilded the following results:...maybe the mods consider consolidating some of these threads together.
Aug 9, 2007 | 6:34 am
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A sardine can is a sardine can - no matter what the number (737 or 787). I am amazed how people (myself included) get excited about a new plane. At the end of the day we all are going to be stuffed in 17.9" x 32" space for 10 hours (I'm being optimistic - CO may decide to do 31" pitch like in 777.)
Aug 9, 2007 | 6:43 am
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Your calculations aren't quite right. The default (ie 8 across) configuration uses 18.5" seats. The 9-across configuration can be done with 17.2" seats. Which is obviously the same as is currently found on all CO 737 and 757 planes. Of course, it's a downgrade from the 17.9" seats of the widebodies.
Question: Where do the 16 extra inches in 777 go if it also has 9 across in Y?
Nevertheless, 17.2" seats will not be comfortable on any long-haul, and the 787 will clearly do some very long-haul flights.
It's simply another step in Larry Kellner's campaign to make coach as uncomfortable as he can get away with. I'm curious to see if see if CO moves down to 30 inch seat pitch on the 787's.
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:06 am
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Aug 9, 2007 | 7:12 am
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16 inches is slightly less than the width of an average coach seat.
If CO is really contemplating putting 9 across on the 787, this would mean that the coach seat would be about 1.78 inches narrower, or about 15.5 inches wide. That seems hard to believe, frankly. Currently, the narrowest coach seat in long haul coach is 16.5 inches on ANA.
If CO is really contemplating putting 9 across on the 787, this would mean that the coach seat would be about 1.78 inches narrower, or about 15.5 inches wide. That seems hard to believe, frankly. Currently, the narrowest coach seat in long haul coach is 16.5 inches on ANA.
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:30 am
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One can always hope. Have those seats been certified by the FAA for evacuation purposes, or whatever the heck it is that the FAA considers when certifying seats?
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:35 am
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They're cramming in 9 across to put more space between rows? I'd gladly give up an inch for about 3 more between seats. Too early for math, but eliminating approximantely every 9th row by stuffing those seats into remaining rows yields 31"(?) or about 3 1/2 inches extra legroom per re-positioned row and maybe a little more seat recline. Just dreaming here...