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Olton Hall Nov 9, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12795269)
True.

Although I guess there is always the solar option.

Summer yes, winter might be iffy. But if you have the land a solar system the generates H2 that you store in tanks for use in fuel cells will get you over that hump.

belynch Nov 9, 2009 3:51 pm

I'm currently perched at the top of the upgrade list for my transcon tomorrow. I've done all I can do and it's out of my hands.

I have a feeling, that's where I'll stay. Unless someone cancels their trip in the next 24 hours. And there's no displaced F/BF customers coming in on a connection.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 9, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12795269)
True.

Although I guess there is always the solar option.

Wind power is a sure bet on teh plains. However, you just have to ensure that your personal-sized turbine doesn't get torn to shreds by the first arctic blast that barrels through with 90+ mph winds.

belynch Nov 9, 2009 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 12795289)
Summer yes, winter might be iffy.

Porque? Si is more efficient in cold. :-:

baglady Nov 9, 2009 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12794931)
I dunno if she's into this sort of thing but my wife and I saw the new Christmas Carol movie and while we both thoroughly enjoyed it, we also both agreed that it was probably not for younger kids. It gets downright scary in several places and intense in others. Just some FYI. :)

Based on reviews (which we are pretty good at reading before taking a kid there), we felt it was unsuitable for her.

On another issue, without going OMNI; I found that during Patriotism week (which I'm all for), she learned a new Texas pledge (they pledge allegiance to the US Flag and the Texas Flag) which says Under God and Obama.

I explained this to Plus1 and he said that he's more conservative than I am (true) and that she's confused. Considering she's always told me her US and State pledges before without this, I think not. So, those of you who know teachers, any validity to this?

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 9, 2009 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12795298)
Porque? Si is more efficient in cold. :-:

Multiple days of thick overcast and/or ice-fog, and extremely short days in Winter, with the sun on the Southern horizon, delivering far less energy (at an extreme angle) to solar cells.

Olton Hall Nov 9, 2009 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12795296)
Wind power is a sure bet on teh plains. However, you just have to ensure that your personal-sized turbine doesn't get torn to shreds by the first arctic blast that barrels through with 90+ mph winds.

It actually might be too windy out there for wind generation. It isn't gusty, it's a constant strong wind. The potential is huge but for some reason they fear the concept like it's the red threat of the USSR.

uncertaintraveler Nov 9, 2009 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 12795289)
But if you have the land a solar system the generates H2 that you store in tanks for use in fuel cells will get you over that hump.

Whoa...this is way more technologically advanced than anything I can deal with. Perhaps I should re-direct my land buying search to somewhere that is more used to people living dishevelved lives in distressed and unkept housing stock. Like, say, Arkansas.


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12795296)
Wind power is a sure bet on teh plains. However, you just have to ensure that your personal-sized turbine doesn't get torn to shreds by the first arctic blast that barrels through with 90+ mph winds.

I spent two years in Amarillo, where the wind never seemed to cease. A co-worker, who was from North Dakota (and who lives there now) said that the wind was worse in Amarillo than it was in North Dakota. In any event, the wind isn't a big issue: it is the smells carried by the wind that is. In Amarillo's case, it was often the smell of the nearby feedlots that were :rolleyes:

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 9, 2009 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 12795316)
It actually might be too windy out there for wind generation. It isn't gusty, it's a constant strong wind. The potential is huge but for some reason they fear the concept like it's the red threat of the USSR.

Industrial-scale turbines could handle it. Scotland is carpeted in wind turbines. The weather around the Scottish coast is a bit finicky.

belynch Nov 9, 2009 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12795314)
with the sun on the Southern horizon, delivering far less energy (at an extreme angle) to solar cells.

That's why you orient PV panels on a southern orientation at 10%+ tilt. :-:

But, yeah, ND isn't exactly the US' largest solar market for a reason.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 9, 2009 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12795334)
I spent two years in Amarillo, where the wind never seemed to cease. A co-worker, who was from North Dakota (and who lives there now) said that the wind was worse in Amarillo than it was in North Dakota. In any event, the wind isn't a big issue: it is the smells carried by the wind that is. In Amarillo's case, it was often the smell of the nearby feedlots that were :rolleyes:

The Texas Panhandle is the Saudi Arabia of wind. There's a reason T-Bone chose the area around Pampa as his preferred site for what would be the world's largest Wind Farm.

Olton Hall Nov 9, 2009 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12795298)
Porque? Si is more efficient in cold. :-:

General lack of sun in the winter and panels get snow drifts on them. There is also issues of ND being a very dusty place and it's very difficult to keep the panels clean, especially during the time when the ground isn't covered with snow. That's not a problem for places like the Northeast as we get enough rain to keep panels clean but in many really sunny place don't get enough rain to keep the panels clean.

belynch Nov 9, 2009 4:02 pm

The Box is venturing into a topic of discussion that I know way too much about. For everyone's sanity (especially mine) I'm going to bow out for a little while.

I come here to escape work, not do more of it.

I can haz upgrade?

uncertaintraveler Nov 9, 2009 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by baglady (Post 12795307)
Based on reviews (which we are pretty good at reading before taking a kid there), we felt it was unsuitable for her.

On another issue, without going OMNI; I found that during Patriotism week (which I'm all for), she learned a new Texas pledge (they pledge allegiance to the US Flag and the Texas Flag) which says Under God and Obama.

I explained this to Plus1 and he said that he's more conservative than I am (true) and that she's confused. Considering she's always told me her US and State pledges before without this, I think not. So, those of you who know teachers, any validity to this?

This (the "Obama" part) is news to me. My significant other is a middle school teacher with HISD. I'll ask her tonight if they do this.

I think that students can opt out of saying "under God."

uncertaintraveler Nov 9, 2009 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12795346)
The Texas Panhandle is the Saudi Arabia of wind. There's a reason T-Bone chose the area around Pampa as his preferred site for what would be the world's largest Wind Farm.

Yes, but just not his own ranch because, and I'm paraphrasing, he thinks that wind turbines are dam* ugly.


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