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Mackieman Jun 29, 2010 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 14215125)
By the way, since that's the case, why is it that the hurricane hunters just don't fly above until they get to the eye, and then use a tight corkscrew descent to get in, measure the pressure, and go out the same way? Eyes are some miles across, right? Or do they get valuable info flying through the storm on the way in/out?

They measure at various points within the eyewall, which requires penetration with the aircraft. They also fire dropsondes which measure things as they drop through the storm. It's a really impressive program and the pilots, navigators, and meteorologists on board have enormous balls to do that job.

Dr. Jeff Masters over at Weather Underground used to do it, and he wrote up his account of flying into Hurricane Hugo in 1988, which you can read here.

Hartmann Jun 29, 2010 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 14215130)
Pretty sure they get valuable info within the storm. they also use propjobs that take a lot longer to get in and out...or many of them are props in any case.

The type of aircraft depends on the mission. For heavy duty measuring they'll use the P-3s. For things like Alex, they use a Gulfstream IV: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...744Z/KMCF/KMCF. If Alex becomes a hurricane they'll more than likely switch to a P-3.

Inside the Gulf, Katrina's cloud tops were something like 50k feet above sea level. The highest recorded tops were at something like 62,000 feet.

photog72 Jun 29, 2010 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 14213948)
Wrong earlier: See for example.

Others as well under 5 w/ free shipping.

That is who I ordered from.

windwalker Jun 29, 2010 2:02 pm

Amazing how much shake there is in the bottom of a bag.
Of frosted mini-Wheats, that is.

Starwood Lurker Jun 29, 2010 2:05 pm

Raining like a cow pissin' on a flat rock here at the call center now. ^

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xFF Jun 29, 2010 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 14215184)
Dr. Jeff Masters over at Weather Underground used to do it, and he wrote up his account of flying into Hurricane Hugo in 1988, which you can read here.

Wow! It's been some years since I read that, and it's pretty awesome.

photog72 Jun 29, 2010 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 14215268)
Raining like a cow pissin' on a flat rock here at the call center now. ^

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Nuthin' here looking out over downtown.

windwalker Jun 29, 2010 2:21 pm

High of 98 today
Tomorrow's forecast high-79

Guess that explains why it got dark at 4 pm

xFF Jun 29, 2010 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14215185)
Inside the Gulf, Katrina's cloud tops were something like 50k feet above sea level. The highest recorded tops were at something like 62,000 feet.

That's all the way to the bottom of the stratosphere, where weather ceases. I didn't think they were always relatively low, but really didn't know.

bdjohns1 Jun 29, 2010 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 14215341)
That's all the way to the bottom of the stratosphere, where weather ceases. I didn't think they were always relatively low, but really didn't know.

The front that blew through Iowa and northern Illinois the week before last had tops around 53K.

xFF Jun 29, 2010 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 14215350)
The front that blew through Iowa and northern Illinois the week before last had tops around 53K.

I remember that. When the line crossed the River, the tops began to collapse, only to build higher again over IL to those heights. That's the one that caused the window breaches at Sears/Willis Tower, yeah?

Hartmann Jun 29, 2010 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 14215341)
That's all the way to the bottom of the stratosphere, where weather ceases. I didn't think they were always relatively low, but really didn't know.

Per NASA:


MISR stereo-height estimates (not shown here) indicate that the highest clouds reach 18-19 kilometers above the surface of the Earth..
I thought the stratosphere was something like 6 miles above earth's surface to 31 miles above earth's surface? There is definitely weather at 6 miles.

xFF Jun 29, 2010 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14215399)
I thought the stratosphere was something like 6 miles above earth's surface to 31 miles above earth's surface? There is definitely weather at 6 miles.

Yeah, it is. I meant where the ozone layer starts and the weather ceases, which the USAF puts (stylized) at around 55.

photog72 Jun 29, 2010 2:37 pm

Strange. I just went through a half bag of washed and peeled mini carrots. Time to go balance that out with something unhealthy - Blue Bell ice cream. @:-)

Mackieman Jun 29, 2010 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by photog72 (Post 14215427)
Strange. I just went through a half bag of washed and peeled mini carrots. Time to go balance that out with something unhealthy - Blue Bell ice cream. @:-)

A sound plan.


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