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J.Edward Feb 19, 2010 8:32 am


Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways (Post 13418973)
He said CO would begin reconfiguring aircraft later this year to allow for E+ seating.

If true then ^

Any clue on what's being sacrificed for E+? A row of Y? Row of F?

bmvaughn Feb 19, 2010 8:34 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 13420313)
http://artdrum.com/IMAGES/PHOTOSDRUM...WATA/UDU_3.JPG

That is a Udu. IIRC you are in the CO forum; therefore it is an EUA. Or, more precisely yet, an EUA.

:confused:

OP is speaking about upgrades on UA which are called UDU... what does where one posts have to do with the name of an offering? I understand that a similar program on CO is called EUA, but that doesn't mean that one should call UA's program EUA.

That'd be like calling United First... "United BusinessFirst". Doesn't make sense.

J.Edward Feb 19, 2010 8:37 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 13420313)
IIRC you are in the CO forum; therefore it is an EUA. Or, more precisely yet, an EUA.

FWIW UA's branded/branding their all-you-can-clear(or fail) upgrade program as UDU -- anyways, I think it makes sense to have two descriptors to differentiate between UA's upgrades and CO's upgrades.

Don't see anything objectionable about referring to UA's automated upgrades as UDU, short of UA's rather interesting choice of an acronym.

channa Feb 19, 2010 8:38 am


Originally Posted by bmvaughn (Post 13420893)
OP is speaking about upgrades on UA which are called UDU... what does where one posts have to do with the name of an offering? I understand that a similar program on CO is called EUA, but that doesn't mean that one should call UA's program EUA.

Not only that, referring to UA's program as EUA is also factually incorrect.

EUA is the system that processes the upgrades for CO. UA does not use such a system (nor does DL or AA). It's exclusive to CO.

cova Feb 19, 2010 8:43 am

As CO and UA get closer to a merger - it makes sense that CO add E+ - they need to be the same as UA. If CO does it - they will likely take out one row - but on a 738 (as channa points out many times) CO may want to get down to that magic 150 seats for 3 FA. I just hope we do not see a reduction in F.

bocastephen Feb 19, 2010 8:43 am


Originally Posted by marvanit (Post 13420649)
I am hearing the exact opposite from a fairly high CO employee. They have no intention on introducing E+.

Awesome! An 'Unconfirmed Rumor Catfight'!

CO has never been in the mood to remove Y seats because it can skew their CASM numbers if there isn't a boost in revenue to accompany the change. I highly doubt CO would even look at it unless UA showed them secret internal reporting docs that indicated a positive skew in revenue which comfortably outweighed the loss of the Y seats.

What CO needs are new Y seats (see my Air Canada review) and a policy to block middle seats in the 'premium section' and prevent people and GAs from selecting them until absolutely needed, and then in reverse order of status based on who is seated in the window/aisle. Having an empty middle is better than more legroom because you can turn sideways and stretch out - and you're not squeezed from the side.

colpuck Feb 19, 2010 8:44 am


Originally Posted by bmvaughn (Post 13420893)
That'd be like calling United First... "United BusinessFirst". Doesn't make sense.

You're right compared to other airlines UA F would be called Economy +.

channa Feb 19, 2010 8:46 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13420945)
CO has never been in the mood to remove Y seats because it can skew their CASM numbers if there isn't a boost in revenue to accompany the change. I highly doubt CO would even look at it unless UA showed them secret internal reporting docs that indicated a positive skew in revenue which comfortably outweighed the loss of the Y seats.


It's possible that with all the cheap F upgrades they've been selling as of late, they've come to the conclusion that people will pay more for things.

If customers are willing to pay $75 for a F upgrade, maybe they'll pay $30 for an E+ upgrade.

marvanit Feb 19, 2010 8:48 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13420945)
Awesome! An 'Unconfirmed Rumor Catfight'!

CO has never been in the mood to remove Y seats because it can skew their CASM numbers if there isn't a boost in revenue to accompany the change. I highly doubt CO would even look at it unless UA showed them secret internal reporting docs that indicated a positive skew in revenue which comfortably outweighed the loss of the Y seats.

What CO needs are new Y seats (see my Air Canada review) and a policy to block middle seats in the 'premium section' and prevent people and GAs from selecting them until absolutely needed, and then in reverse order of status based on who is seated in the window/aisle. Having an empty middle is better than more legroom because you can turn sideways and stretch out - and you're not squeezed from the side.

No catfight here. Merely illustrating that for every post that gets started like this, there are is another side to the story. We can speculate all day, but it comes down to if CO will make money by adding E+.

belynch Feb 19, 2010 8:50 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13420945)
Having an empty middle is better than more legroom because you can turn sideways and stretch out - and you're not squeezed from the side.

My magic 8-ball says you're not over 6' tall. @:-)

What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.

BigPoppaCO Feb 19, 2010 8:58 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13420945)
Awesome! An 'Unconfirmed Rumor Catfight'!

CO has never been in the mood to remove Y seats because it can skew their CASM numbers if there isn't a boost in revenue to accompany the change. I highly doubt CO would even look at it unless UA showed them secret internal reporting docs that indicated a positive skew in revenue which comfortably outweighed the loss of the Y seats.

What CO needs are new Y seats (see my Air Canada review) and a policy to block middle seats in the 'premium section' and prevent people and GAs from selecting them until absolutely needed, and then in reverse order of status based on who is seated in the window/aisle. Having an empty middle is better than more legroom because you can turn sideways and stretch out - and you're not squeezed from the side.


Methinks someone is way, way under 6' tall

bocastephen Feb 19, 2010 9:00 am


Originally Posted by channa (Post 13420959)
It's possible that with all the cheap F upgrades they've been selling as of late, they've come to the conclusion that people will pay more for things.

If customers are willing to pay $75 for a F upgrade, maybe they'll pay $30 for an E+ upgrade.

provided we don't lost any F seats in the process. Frankly, I can't see them removing F seats from the 739, 752/3 or the 76/77s because of the door and lav placement - but the 738/NG/5 might end up losing a row. So, be careful what you wish for....

belynch Feb 19, 2010 9:01 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13421055)
5 might end up losing a row. So, be careful what you wish for....

I think you're right. CO will operate an a/c with only one row of F. :rolleyes:

hangpilot Feb 19, 2010 9:02 am


Originally Posted by craz (Post 13419984)
I wont believe it till CO announces it

and then leave it to CO to make their E+ as 32" :eek:

No. They'll be 31", BUT have extra recline!

bocastephen Feb 19, 2010 9:02 am


Originally Posted by BigPoppaCO (Post 13421044)
Methinks someone is way, way under 6' tall

5'11'' - but I'm either in an exit row or F. I can't remember the last time I was in a regular Y seat, nor would I want to be, but yes I've sat in the 'cheap seats' before.

However, that's the benefit of being a Plat who can plan travel 7+ days in advance....avoiding undesirable seats.


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