Dec 18, 2019, 12:31 pm
Last edit by: wyogold
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AA potentially closing accounts due to credit card churning/churn
How to know if you're locked: (as of 12/22/2019)
- Call in to aadvantage reservations (800-882-8880) If you locked, you'll be forwarded to customer service instead of getting to the automated reservations system
- If you want to stay on the line, ask CSR if your account is locked (you tried to make a reservation but it wouldn't let you). CSR will inform you there's a note on your account and that corporate security will contact you
- Try to make a reservation for a super cheap hotel through useaamiles.com. There are 1000 miles / night hotels in New Delhi, so at worst you'll risk 1K miles. If you're locked, you'll see "Unable to process points. Please call our customer service for assistance."
So far, nobody seems to have gotten unlocked and gotten access to their miles back. Accounts with upcoming travel seem to be the ones that are getting terminated at the highest rate.
AA potentially closing accounts due to credit card churning/churn
How to know if you're locked: (as of 12/22/2019)
- Call in to aadvantage reservations (800-882-8880) If you locked, you'll be forwarded to customer service instead of getting to the automated reservations system
- If you want to stay on the line, ask CSR if your account is locked (you tried to make a reservation but it wouldn't let you). CSR will inform you there's a note on your account and that corporate security will contact you
- Try to make a reservation for a super cheap hotel through useaamiles.com. There are 1000 miles / night hotels in New Delhi, so at worst you'll risk 1K miles. If you're locked, you'll see "Unable to process points. Please call our customer service for assistance."
So far, nobody seems to have gotten unlocked and gotten access to their miles back. Accounts with upcoming travel seem to be the ones that are getting terminated at the highest rate.
AA accounts restricted (Nov/Dec 2019)
Jun 23, 2020, 8:08 pm
#3301
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 805
As far as JT, his Twitter indicates he's used AA miles as recently as March before he quit flying because of COVID.
Jun 24, 2020, 7:23 am
#3302
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Location: Global
Posts: 5,998
https://twitter.com/KerrPoints/statu...58053892407298/ - From April
As far as JT, his Twitter indicates he's used AA miles as recently as March before he quit flying because of COVID.
As far as JT, his Twitter indicates he's used AA miles as recently as March before he quit flying because of COVID.
I think most of us accept there are 'stories' on the internet that someone purports to have sued AA and won the right to get their accounts/miles back wit regards to account abuse, but there are no specifics (that I am aware of). I did not see any on reddit.
Anyone have anyactualsmall claims case outcome to report? (Case #'s, jurisdiction, outcome)
Jun 24, 2020, 8:33 am
#3303
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: SFO
Posts: 489
Thanks for the facts.
I think most of us accept there are 'stories' on the internet that someone purports to have sued AA and won the right to get their accounts/miles back wit regards to account abuse, but there are no specifics (that I am aware of). I did not see any on reddit.
Anyone have anyactualsmall claims case outcome to report? (Case #'s, jurisdiction, outcome)
I think most of us accept there are 'stories' on the internet that someone purports to have sued AA and won the right to get their accounts/miles back wit regards to account abuse, but there are no specifics (that I am aware of). I did not see any on reddit.
Anyone have anyactualsmall claims case outcome to report? (Case #'s, jurisdiction, outcome)
btw the group is not on reddit, but a different app via invite only.
Jun 24, 2020, 9:23 am
#3304
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A case number is public record and cannot be barred by an NDA. Given the attention on these matters, it would seem that someone would have "doxed" the case number based on the hometown and name of an alleged victor.
Jun 24, 2020, 9:34 am
#3305
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 805
It’d be beneficial for the mass if anyone who is in the process of suing would post their court details. Then if they go silent we can make assumptions on what happened.
Jun 24, 2020, 11:42 am
#3306
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Global
Posts: 5,998
Case numbers are not part of NDA's. Can't be.
So still zero confirmed cases filed, went to court and/or let alone settled. Got it.
FWIW - The reddit group pretty much fell silent when the rubber met the road.
Exactly. If someone sued and then signed a NDA the case history doesn’t automatically go away, that’s all still public record. Of course a NDA would probably prevent them from writing on here saying “check out case XX in XX county,” but that wouldn’t prevent anyone else from writing that.
It’d be beneficial for the mass if anyone who is in the process of suing would post their court details. Then if they go silent we can make assumptions on what happened.
It’d be beneficial for the mass if anyone who is in the process of suing would post their court details. Then if they go silent we can make assumptions on what happened.
Jun 24, 2020, 4:01 pm
#3307
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
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Finding case numbers is easy. But, when a civil case settles, unless it is a class action or involves a minor child, there are very few instances where you would see anything other than a dismissal in the file. The terms of the settlement, whether covered by an NDA or not, won't be filed. No reason for that in a routine SCC matter.
Jun 24, 2020, 7:26 pm
#3308
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Finding case numbers is easy. But, when a civil case settles, unless it is a class action or involves a minor child, there are very few instances where you would see anything other than a dismissal in the file. The terms of the settlement, whether covered by an NDA or not, won't be filed. No reason for that in a routine SCC matter.
Jun 25, 2020, 7:56 am
#3309
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 805
Correct. On the other hand, if there is a filed SCC matter, and if it was voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiff before the hearing, and if that plaintiff is someone who was "known" to have lots of miles at stake, it might at least support the narrative (about which I am skeptical) that AA is "settling" these cases. So can someone name one such case which was filed more than a month ago?
Jun 25, 2020, 1:50 pm
#3310
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Bottom line is that one could engage in an expensive and time-consuming research project and learn close to nothing,.
Jun 25, 2020, 7:15 pm
#3311
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But, unlikely that they would. In a typical SCC, the forms are "fill in the blank" and a voluntary dismissal says just that. In many SCC cases, there won't even be a dismissal filed by the plaintiff. The Plaintiff simply agrees not to show up for the assigned date and the case is dismissed by the court.
Bottom line is that one could engage in an expensive and time-consuming research project and learn close to nothing,.
Bottom line is that one could engage in an expensive and time-consuming research project and learn close to nothing,.
No, the point is that it [almost certainly] didn't really happen. I don't believe that AA is entering into settlements restoring miles/accounts/status/participation (pick one or more) to people who have filed Small Claims cases.
Jun 25, 2020, 8:09 pm
#3313
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Downside - None I can think of.
Jun 25, 2020, 10:07 pm
#3314
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,477
Granted, we're all here to learn and share. But there's also an implicit expectation of reciprocity and common interests. On certain subjects we gotta contribute some work (and cooperative attitude) before others are willing to share theirs.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:41 am
#3315
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LOL Maybe I should've been more specific. What's the upside for the source of info, not for you? What benefit will they get by sharing anything with you?
Granted, we're all here to learn and share. But there's also an implicit expectation of reciprocity and common interests. On certain subjects we gotta contribute some work (and cooperative attitude) before others are willing to share theirs.
Granted, we're all here to learn and share. But there's also an implicit expectation of reciprocity and common interests. On certain subjects we gotta contribute some work (and cooperative attitude) before others are willing to share theirs.