the pollution thread
#106
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Is pollution bad today in PEK?
I was looking at the AQI index and it was 160+...
Anyone knows of a webcam for PEK?
The only webcam i could find showed a grey landscape scene in the afternoon so I'm not exactly sure it was accurate.
Edit:
hmm, looking through the US Embassy AQI, it seems that some days are pretty good, as in sub-50.
But, May 1 was 300+ at noon!
That is just ridiculous.
I was looking at the AQI index and it was 160+...
Anyone knows of a webcam for PEK?
The only webcam i could find showed a grey landscape scene in the afternoon so I'm not exactly sure it was accurate.
Edit:
hmm, looking through the US Embassy AQI, it seems that some days are pretty good, as in sub-50.
But, May 1 was 300+ at noon!
That is just ridiculous.
#107


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Yeah, today & yesterday are an improvement over the first 2 days of the long wkend. Even those who drove out to the countryside said the air was bad.
I can see out my 18F office window quite a distance, which is a good sign. Not clear blue skies but I'm happy to take anything below 200.
I can see out my 18F office window quite a distance, which is a good sign. Not clear blue skies but I'm happy to take anything below 200.
#108




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Better in what way? How is it falling short of reasonable expectations?
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception.
Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception.
Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.
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Better in what way? How is it falling short of reasonable expectations?
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception.
Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception.
Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.

In spite of the annoyingly long transfers, Beijing's subway network is pretty damn impressive. Furthermore, Big Brother has mandated that all points within 4th Ring (a massive area... think Rhode Island) will be within 15 minutes walking distance of a subway station by 2020. To the best of my knowledge, no other city in the entire world can boast such, or has aspirations of doing so. Oh, and it will get built.
That having been said, we really need Tokyo style express trains (i.e. if they really care about Financial Street, it should be possible to get there from the CBD in 15 minutes, as opposed to 40 minutes). Many of us are looking forward to Line 6 because it will offer express trains. (I recently relocated to a building that has indoor access to a major Line 6 station, and can already envision a repeat of the Shuangjing success story.)
The bottom line is that everyone knows that the air pollution and the traffic are Beijing's two biggest drawbacks; subway expansion = 两鸟一石.
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...Furthermore, Big Brother has mandated that all points within 4th Ring (a massive area... think Rhode Island) will be within 15 minutes walking distance of a subway station by 2020. To the best of my knowledge, no other city in the entire world can boast such, or has aspirations of doing so. Oh, and it will get built.
#111


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US embassy has started posting their numbers for Shanghai.
Similar to what they are doing for Beijing.
http://twitter.com/#!/cgshanghaiair
Similar to what they are doing for Beijing.
http://twitter.com/#!/cgshanghaiair
Last edited by HawaiiO; May 15, 2012 at 6:59 pm
#112
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A senior Chinese official demanded on Tuesday that foreign embassies stop issuing air pollution readings, saying it was against the law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606
#113
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A senior Chinese official demanded on Tuesday that foreign embassies stop issuing air pollution readings, saying it was against the law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606
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I think the reason, at least partly, for the recent upswing in official resentment is that for some time, having the feed on twitter kept it away from the vast majority of chinese. But very recently, many, many apps have popped up that basically give the embassy information without need for a vpn.
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble.
tb
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble.
tb
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I think the reason, at least partly, for the recent upswing in official resentment is that for some time, having the feed on twitter kept it away from the vast majority of chinese. But very recently, many, many apps have popped up that basically give the embassy information without need for a vpn.
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble.
tb
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble.
tb
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#118

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http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Met...2Bto%2Bforget/
"Its air quality index made it the dirtiest city in the country over the weekend because of straw burning, an agricultural practice that is banned in Shanghai."
I saw straw burning on my way from Pudong airport to the city just a few days ago.
"Its air quality index made it the dirtiest city in the country over the weekend because of straw burning, an agricultural practice that is banned in Shanghai."
I saw straw burning on my way from Pudong airport to the city just a few days ago.
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#120
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this is happening right now. I am going to pack a few N95 respirators since I heading there this Friday.
http://news.google.com/news/story?cf...za9nDvTMl2HJjM
http://news.google.com/news/story?hl...ed=0CDgQqgIwAA
http://news.google.com/news/story?cf...za9nDvTMl2HJjM
http://news.google.com/news/story?hl...ed=0CDgQqgIwAA
Last edited by g46r; Jun 13, 2012 at 12:56 am

