the pollution thread
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That's the main reason.... US education.
Instead of 500K EB5 can buy into the birthing tourism scheme
for ~30K and get the kid US citizenship which saves a lot
on education.
Instead of 500K EB5 can buy into the birthing tourism scheme
for ~30K and get the kid US citizenship which saves a lot
on education.
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Exposure to smog is severe hazard
In Beijing, the lung cancer rate has increased by 60 percent during the past decade, even though the smoking rate during the period has not seen an apparent increase, said Mao Yu, deputy director of the Beijing Health Bureau
Zhong Nanshan, a respiratory expert and academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering said that without intervention, PM2.5, a major cause of choking smog, would replace smoking tobacco as the top risk factor for lung cancer.
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_14216543.htm
In Beijing, the lung cancer rate has increased by 60 percent during the past decade, even though the smoking rate during the period has not seen an apparent increase, said Mao Yu, deputy director of the Beijing Health Bureau
Zhong Nanshan, a respiratory expert and academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering said that without intervention, PM2.5, a major cause of choking smog, would replace smoking tobacco as the top risk factor for lung cancer.
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_14216543.htm
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Yep, the pollution in BJ is bad, no doubts about it. But e.g. I read recently that if one buys an electric car, one can buy it outside the lottery system now in place....not terribly practical or affordable right now, but maybe in a few years.
Exploding batteries or no, I would love a chevvy volt (or equivalent, if they existed), but I fear the price is completely unaffordable.
tb
Exploding batteries or no, I would love a chevvy volt (or equivalent, if they existed), but I fear the price is completely unaffordable.
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Chevy Volts priced at 78k USD in China. GM is offering buy back due to dangerous battery issues. Find a 2000-2006 Honda Insight avg mpg high 60s can hipermile to avg high 90s mpg. Haven' t seen one in China, though
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Well sadly, I'm sure there are more 20 year old rich Chinese kids buying Ferrari's than Volts...
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I just came back to BJ this evening, and within minutes of touchdown my eyes started to hurt. Upon disembarking, the air had this forest fire smell to it, and was thick as pea soup. Really bad.
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There is a coalfired boiler at PEK, they are working on reducing its emissions
now.
Bejing Capital
Airport Coal Fired Boiler
now.
Bejing Capital
Airport Coal Fired Boiler
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...ht&srchtyp=ymm
Maybe a Tesla for the rich kids , not as sexy as a Lambo or Ferrari, but doesn' t look like grandpa's Volt.
I'm not overly thrilled about it, but the Volt's the only real game in town.
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And now for something on topic:
I've lived here in Shanghai for just over a year. Granted, I have been out of the country a bit traveling, but I've only seen blue sky exactly twice (once for 1 day, once for 2 days) which coincided with massive tropical depressions / storm systems far offshore (most likely sucking the pollutants out to sea - there's a unpleasant thought, take local seafood off the shopping list!).
I live in a highrise in Lujiazui literally on the east side of the river. Many, many days, I can't make out the bund which is on the opposite side of the river. It's not a wide river.
Another example I had is going up to the top of any of the tall buildings here (Pearl Tower or Shanghai Financial Center for example) - your view is always limited by pollution, not by range of sight.
Additionally - and not sure if this is a true impact or not, but it's at least anecdotal - locals here are firework CRAZY. Every couple days there's a 4th of July outside.
*Every* day following a 4th of July is massively "smoggy", which makes sense given the materials used in construction of the fireworks. Imagine those fireworks aren't doing wonders for the environment either.
I'm excited to be able to wrap up my tour of duty here soon and go somewhere less polluted.
That said, other than pollution, I love it here (though I can't recommend it as a Chinese citizen, only a foreigner -- being a citizen would probably suck).
I've lived here in Shanghai for just over a year. Granted, I have been out of the country a bit traveling, but I've only seen blue sky exactly twice (once for 1 day, once for 2 days) which coincided with massive tropical depressions / storm systems far offshore (most likely sucking the pollutants out to sea - there's a unpleasant thought, take local seafood off the shopping list!).
I live in a highrise in Lujiazui literally on the east side of the river. Many, many days, I can't make out the bund which is on the opposite side of the river. It's not a wide river.
Another example I had is going up to the top of any of the tall buildings here (Pearl Tower or Shanghai Financial Center for example) - your view is always limited by pollution, not by range of sight.
Additionally - and not sure if this is a true impact or not, but it's at least anecdotal - locals here are firework CRAZY. Every couple days there's a 4th of July outside.
*Every* day following a 4th of July is massively "smoggy", which makes sense given the materials used in construction of the fireworks. Imagine those fireworks aren't doing wonders for the environment either.
I'm excited to be able to wrap up my tour of duty here soon and go somewhere less polluted.
That said, other than pollution, I love it here (though I can't recommend it as a Chinese citizen, only a foreigner -- being a citizen would probably suck).
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Yesterday in BJ was really bad. My friend mentioned "400". While I have no idea what that means, I'm guessing "not very good".
A friend of mine recently told me that the intern at the US Embassy who is in charge of reporting this stuff recently reported "crazy bad" (because the numbers were off the scale), but was censured soon thereafter.
A friend of mine recently told me that the intern at the US Embassy who is in charge of reporting this stuff recently reported "crazy bad" (because the numbers were off the scale), but was censured soon thereafter.
Start here (though as with any wiki, take it with a grain of salt):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_quality
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The US government (and, if you don't believe them, the average owner of the Honda Insight) would beg to differ. They say 41 mpg average. Willing to bet hypermiling doesn't get it more than 20%-30% higher.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...ht&srchtyp=ymm
I'm not overly thrilled about it, but the Volt's the only real game in town.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...ht&srchtyp=ymm
I'm not overly thrilled about it, but the Volt's the only real game in town.
Insight 1 was 2000 -2006
119 mpg over 1361 miles
1561 miles on one tank 13.5 gallons
Volt does not compare to the Insight 1.
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