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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
And TSA is a trustworthy source?

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think she embellished a bit, but that doesn't mean that those things couldn't be said.
That video speaks volumes to me. I agree that the TSA should open up all videos in cases like this (or even to FOIA requests) but that is not likely to happen with the current administration.

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Come on now. You don't think they'd be recording sound at the checkpoing for someone making terroristic threats? With as paranoid as TSA is?

Security can record audio. I know at DEN there are signs up in the concourse saying that speech is monitored.

Not a conspiracy theory. Just the fact that TSA usually isn't forthcoming with information unless it suits them.
At the check point I have no doubts that the TSA is recording sound. But around the corner in the exit lane I have no doubt believing that the camera is the only thing there. If a confrontation were to happen it would normally be because someone was coming in the exit lane not because thats where it should normally occur.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by majorwibi
That video speaks volumes to me. I agree that the TSA should open up all videos in cases like this (or even to FOIA requests) but that is not likely to happen with the current administration.
Agreed.

At the check point I have no doubts that the TSA is recording sound. But around the corner in the exit lane I have no doubt believing that the camera is the only thing there. If a confrontation were to happen it would normally be because someone was coming in the exit lane not because thats where it should normally occur.
Don't know. I guess that could depend on the airport. I'd like to think with where DCA is that they would at least have the exits covered as well just in case. Wonder if it's possible that another mic could have picked up sound.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by SHADOW266
http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters

see the video of the incident for yourself.
GREAT POST...calling all quick to judge...TAKE TIME TO VIEW VIDEO!!!!!! It's not TSA...It is the police that took control. She was just a wench!!!!!!!
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 9:30 pm
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I find it hard to believe audio is being recorded at the checkpoint and be useful as so pick out one person's comments amid the the noise of the checkpoint. Unless there's microphones hidden every square foot along the floors, nooks and crannies.

The only things I've seen the person who can control the camera do is just zoom in real close and move the camera around. Maybe he had the monitor on mute.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
There is no expectation of privacy at a checkpoint. The government can prohibit certain video or photos if they exposure security procedures, otherwise its a public place.

As for the other, tell me, if you go in and talk to an IRS agent regarding an audit, do fourth or fifth amendment protections attach? The answer is - it depends. If you're being deported, is there a right to an attorney? Is the TSA required to notify you of any rights if they find anything in your luggage? Nope. Only when the LEO shows up are they.

The fact is that many Bill of Rights protections only apply where criminal prosecutions are contemplated. For an example of this, INS v. Lopez-Mendoza states that the exclusionary rule doesn't apply to deportation proceedings. And isn't the exclusionary rule a result of the fourth and fifth amendments?
Just so you don't think I am ignoring you, I think PTravel has more than adequately replied to your message.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Don't know. I guess that could depend on the airport. I'd like to think with where DCA is that they would at least have the exits covered as well just in case. Wonder if it's possible that another mic could have picked up sound.
The location in question appears to be the gates where Delta and Southwest fly out of and if that is the case then I know that hallway where the incident occurs tends to be rather noisy; which I assume is because of the way it is setup.

Chances are a mic did pickup the sound but probably also picked up a ton of other noise.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by majorwibi
The location in question appears to be the gates where Delta and Southwest fly out of and if that is the case then I know that hallway where the incident occurs tends to be rather noisy; which I assume is because of the way it is setup.

Chances are a mic did pickup the sound but probably also picked up a ton of other noise.
Definite possibility. I've usually gone out of the UA/AA terminal. Think I did go out of the Delta terminal once, but it was a long time ago.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by Landing Gear
Just so you don't think I am ignoring you, I think PTravel has more than adequately replied to your message.
I know what I was thinking but wasn't articulating it well. Hey, you try posting stuff during commercial breaks of Age of Love.

"Can you not put the #$*&!! computer down for one minute? Who ARE these people anyway?"

Am I alone here on this one?
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by law dawg
"Can you not put the #$*&!! computer down for one minute? Who ARE these people anyway?"

Am I alone here on this one?
After a couple of times telling my wife that she was watching inane crap that I did not desire to watch, she stopped complaining.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
Is this for rhetorical affect?

Post #1 of this thread answers your "how?" So what do you mean by the TSA doing (or not doing?) their job?
No it wasn't for effect, but perhaps not worded well enough. What I saw in the story:
The incident started when Monica was stopped while going through airport security because there was water in her son's sippy cup. The sippy cup was seized by TSA. Monica wanted the cup back
did not tell me at what point in the process she was "stopped". I assumed it had to be after the WTMD otherwise she would not have had the cup "taken", nor had to be escorted "out" or anything else that followed.

So my query was did she carry the cup through the WTMD ? If that's the case then I do contend the TSA did not do their job by stopping her BEFORE. But we don't see that tape and I think we've covered this aspect in subsequent posts, so I'll drop and/or withdraw it.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by dhuey
3) Due process violation by cop for asking Emmerson to clean up the mess she had just intentionally created?
That's twice now you have characterised the cop as "asking" Emmerson. It may be different where you live, but here abouts cops do not "ask" you to something they want you to do (cf ask vs. tell).

Sounds much nicer though, I grant you
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
That's twice now you have characterised the cop as "asking" Emmerson. It may be different where you live, but here abouts cops do not "ask" you to something they want you to do (cf ask vs. tell).

Sounds much nicer though, I grant you
Okay, let's say the cop tells Emmerson to clean up the mess she just made. Not exactly grounds for a civil rights suit, is it?
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by dhuey
Okay, let's say the cop tells Emmerson to clean up the mess she just made. Not exactly grounds for a civil rights suit, is it?
And what law would the cop be enforcing by telling her to clean up the mess? And, if as claimed, was told to tell the TSO she was sorry?
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:17 am
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I think they were more than fair to her under the conditions in which she acted. She broke the rules, pitched a fit, got in the face and yelled at the LEO, didn't properly care for her child when she took her out of the stroller and just let her roam free and got away with a simple apology and wiping her mess up with some paper towels!

I would be interested in seeing the video for many of the "incidents" that are reported here on FT. While I certainly believe that there's some truth to most stories, I think many people would be changing their stories like this woman sure will be.

I went on the Discovery Channel's web page and can't seem to find any trademark on mythbusters anywhere. Looking it up on the trademark site it seems to be trademarked having to do with "promoting public awareness in the field of breast cancer prevention, diagnosis and treatment through the distribution of informational publications"
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
After a couple of times telling my wife that she was watching inane crap that I did not desire to watch, she stopped complaining.
But if I also enjoy the train wreck that is that inane crap?

Sometimes its easier to go along to get along in the name of marital bliss....
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