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I'd always believed that the numbers who bought the administration's security stance was somewhere in the 90% range, only special interest venues such as FT etc. containing any real criticism. If 1/3 of Americans really are now prepared to side against the TSA, I find that most encouraging. ^
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I'll give credit where it'd due. TSA did the right thing by not letting the woman go through, regardless of her credentials. She is no better than the rest of us. We are forced to adhere to these moronic policies and it's only right to expect them to be applied across the board. The woman obviously became angry when she didn't get her way and acted childish. Hardly the level of self control I'd expect to see from a Secret Service Agent. 
Hopefully this incident will help bring some light to the idiotic liquid ban. Until something can be done (which might not ever happen) we are forced to obey the policy. There is no point in taking it out on the screener when he/she is just doing their job by enforcing it.
Hopefully this incident will help bring some light to the idiotic liquid ban. Until something can be done (which might not ever happen) we are forced to obey the policy. There is no point in taking it out on the screener when he/she is just doing their job by enforcing it.
I DID say that I think it's stupid that an LEO can pack a gun on a plane but can't bring a bottle of water thru a checkpoint.
There are no innocent parties in this. None.
I don't think sitting and taking it is the answer either. File a complaint everytime. Voice your opinion peacefully while at the checkpoint to let them know that not everyone supports this.
It's why I wear my KHIAI t-shirt when I go thru security. Some may it's childish (won't mention any names), but it gets the point across that I don't like the screening. If I'm asked, I can say why I think he's an idiot. Pax and even airline staff often ask who he is and why I think he's an idiot.
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With the usual proviso that a voluntary poll is not a reliable indicator of anything, I'm surprised the approval rating was that low.
I'd always believed that the numbers who bought the administration's security stance was somewhere in the 90% range, only special interest venues such as FT etc. containing any real criticism. If 1/3 of Americans really are now prepared to side against the TSA, I find that most encouraging. ^
I'd always believed that the numbers who bought the administration's security stance was somewhere in the 90% range, only special interest venues such as FT etc. containing any real criticism. If 1/3 of Americans really are now prepared to side against the TSA, I find that most encouraging. ^
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A video showing someone's actions, in contradiction to their public testimony, is "destroying" someone?
If this is representative of "out of control" in your mind I shudder to what you'll do when you really see out of control or a real attempt to destroy someone. If they were as out of control as you state you'd have no doubt it was an attempt to destroy them.
Hyperbole to the contrary.
If this is representative of "out of control" in your mind I shudder to what you'll do when you really see out of control or a real attempt to destroy someone. If they were as out of control as you state you'd have no doubt it was an attempt to destroy them.
Hyperbole to the contrary.
That bothers me. A LOT. It should be investigated. And why in the HELL were the random people's faces who happened to exit the secure area not redacted in the video shown on the TSA website?
It is bothersome and should be investigated by Congress. And I have made that opinion known to my own representatives.
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Here is my concern: TSA clearly has unlimited access to these video recordings. And they have total control over them. I, on the other hand, am forbidden from taking still or video pictures or recordings at TSA screening areas. Thus TSA is free to publish and distribute any video recordings of me whenever it makes their case, but it would take a FOIA and probably more than that for me to get a hold of that video. And in this case they published it as part of a PR effort, not a law enforcement or legal effort.
That bothers me. A LOT. It should be investigated. And why in the HELL were the random people's faces who happened to exit the secure area not redacted in the video shown on the TSA website?
It is bothersome and should be investigated by Congress. And I have made that opinion known to my own representatives.
That bothers me. A LOT. It should be investigated. And why in the HELL were the random people's faces who happened to exit the secure area not redacted in the video shown on the TSA website?
It is bothersome and should be investigated by Congress. And I have made that opinion known to my own representatives.
Else COPS would have destroyed untold thousands. Not to mention Real Stories of the Highway Patrol.
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I'm not saying they should have let her thru nor should she be exempt. I'm saying that TSA shouldn't have made as big a deal out of it as they did. TSA started the escalation, and she took it further, and it blew up.
I DID say that I think it's stupid that an LEO can pack a gun on a plane but can't bring a bottle of water thru a checkpoint.
There are no innocent parties in this. None.
I don't think sitting and taking it is the answer either. File a complaint everytime. Voice your opinion peacefully while at the checkpoint to let them know that not everyone supports this.
It's why I wear my KHIAI t-shirt when I go thru security. Some may it's childish (won't mention any names), but it gets the point across that I don't like the screening. If I'm asked, I can say why I think he's an idiot. Pax and even airline staff often ask who he is and why I think he's an idiot.
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I DID say that I think it's stupid that an LEO can pack a gun on a plane but can't bring a bottle of water thru a checkpoint.
There are no innocent parties in this. None.
I don't think sitting and taking it is the answer either. File a complaint everytime. Voice your opinion peacefully while at the checkpoint to let them know that not everyone supports this.
It's why I wear my KHIAI t-shirt when I go thru security. Some may it's childish (won't mention any names), but it gets the point across that I don't like the screening. If I'm asked, I can say why I think he's an idiot. Pax and even airline staff often ask who he is and why I think he's an idiot.
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Don't get me wrong, I certainly am NOT defending TSA. I thought TSA and the LEO both were bullying the mother. The behavior, body language and mannerisms of the TSA employees left a lot to be desired. They were very nonchalant and unprofessional in appearance. I just can't get behind the woman. She obviously thought they should make an exception for her.
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I suspect it WAS used to try to have a chilling effect on complaints. Which makes me even angrier. But at least now everyone is on notice, both pax AND TSA screeners: big brother is watching. Get your story straight.
And to show an unredacted face Cops has to get consent. Particularly of people who happen to be standing around.
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TSA's idea of justice is a civil fine that means "you're guilty unless proven innocent in a coast guard kangaroo court."
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Don't get me wrong, I certainly am NOT defending TSA. I thought both TSA and the LEO were bullying the mother. The behavior, body language and mannerisms of the TSA employees left a lot to be desired. They were very nonchalant and unprofessional looking. I just can't get behind the woman. She obviously thought they should make an exception for her.
In this lose-lose, it's who has the "biggest" guns. >.>
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COPS often blurs out the alleged felon's face in most cases (probably unless a waiver was signed) and also states "All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
TSA's idea of justice is a civil fine that means "you're guilty unless proven innocent in a coast guard kangaroo court."
TSA's idea of justice is a civil fine that means "you're guilty unless proven innocent in a coast guard kangaroo court."
Also remember TSA is an administrative agency, not a LE one, so some Bill or Rights protections do not attach.
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I'm curious what the proper TSA response should have been considering I have now seen the same people first bashing the TSA folks for being heavy handed and second bashing the TSA for publishing the video (which to my untrained eye appears to be the raw footage) which shows Emmerson's actions were contradictory to her story.
The TSA, IMHO, did not start this "pissing match" but since they had relatively easy access to the video chose to pretty much put an end to it.
How (in explicit details for my simple mind) should the TSA have handled this situation? The validity of the liquid ban is not in question here because most of us already find that absurd. But given the liquid ban fact what should the TSA have done differently?
The TSA, IMHO, did not start this "pissing match" but since they had relatively easy access to the video chose to pretty much put an end to it.
How (in explicit details for my simple mind) should the TSA have handled this situation? The validity of the liquid ban is not in question here because most of us already find that absurd. But given the liquid ban fact what should the TSA have done differently?
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They might as well just wipe their a$$es with it at this rate.
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I'm curious what the proper TSA response should have been considering I have now seen the same people first bashing the TSA folks for being heavy handed and second bashing the TSA for publishing the video (which to my untrained eye appears to be the raw footage) which shows Emmerson's actions were contradictory to her story.
The TSA, IMHO, did not start this "pissing match" but since they had relatively easy access to the video chose to pretty much put an end to it.
How (in explicit details for my simple mind) should the TSA have handled this situation? The validity of the liquid ban is not in question here because most of us already find that absurd. But given the liquid ban fact what should the TSA have done differently?
The TSA, IMHO, did not start this "pissing match" but since they had relatively easy access to the video chose to pretty much put an end to it.
How (in explicit details for my simple mind) should the TSA have handled this situation? The validity of the liquid ban is not in question here because most of us already find that absurd. But given the liquid ban fact what should the TSA have done differently?
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