Non Active Sky Marshall clears first AGAIN
Aug 12, 2004 | 4:07 pm
#76
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Originally Posted by gofast
If you feel you have been robbed of your FC upgrade, it is not the FAM who is the robber, it is your congressman who enacted the ATSA. If you feel that strongly about it, reboot congress and move on.
Aug 12, 2004 | 4:07 pm
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Wow it's amazing that you have time to post and fly. Oops sorry I forgot you must have a wireless computer so you can post while sitting in the coach class after you get bumped. Your glass must be half empty.
SUCK IT UP
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Aug 12, 2004 | 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by gofast
Do you really believe that, I mean really? You must be one high speed dude. Yes, we need more explosives detection equipment(chemical sniffers) at the checkpoints, but they are like a million bucks a pop.
Originally Posted by gofast
The fact of the matter is that when (not if) there is another terrorist hijacking, there are going to be lots of well-trained bad guys with nothing to lose, and they are going to be armed with deadly weapons provided courtesy of unscreened airport employees and ramp rats. And guess what?!! The FC passengers are going to die first and get stacked in the aisles like cord wood!!
Originally Posted by gofast
I don't really care if I change your mind about the relative merits of the FAM program, but I thought you might appreciate an accurate picture of the ensuing scenario.
Aug 12, 2004 | 4:15 pm
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Originally Posted by skirider2
Wow it's amazing that you have time to post and fly. Oops sorry I forgot you must have a wireless computer so you can post while sitting in the coach class after you get bumped. Your glass must be half empty.
SUCK IT UP
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Aug 12, 2004 | 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly4Food
At no cost would be free. 
Although, you are correct about the tax credit, however it is only a credit for the excise taxes on the seat about $14.00 for a domestic flight.
Although, you are correct about the tax credit, however it is only a credit for the excise taxes on the seat about $14.00 for a domestic flight.
Aug 12, 2004 | 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
No, it's the thief who stole my F seat when she/he belongs in the back that I hold responsible.
Aug 12, 2004 | 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by gofast
Well, I guess you are less than a reasonable guy then. That seat thief is in all probability a good guy, decent public servant, and excellent pistol shot. He is doing his job as directed by men who make the decisions and deserves better than you for a seat mate. He will still save your ... though.
Having the this unlikely scenario occur and having a marshal on board who could somehow affect such a scenario is far outweighed by the loss of revenue for all the stolen seats plus the decreased safety of the cabin due to a couple of firearms being brought on board by the thieves.
Aug 12, 2004 | 5:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
The probability of that is astronomically low.
Having the this unlikely scenario occur and having a marshal on board who could somehow affect such a scenario is far outweighed by the loss of revenue for all the stolen seats plus the decreased safety of the cabin due to a couple of firearms being brought on board by the thieves.
Having the this unlikely scenario occur and having a marshal on board who could somehow affect such a scenario is far outweighed by the loss of revenue for all the stolen seats plus the decreased safety of the cabin due to a couple of firearms being brought on board by the thieves.
The lost revenue argument is lame at best, it's just not so, and your contention that armed Fams decrease safety on a flight is ill conceived and uninformed.
Aug 12, 2004 | 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by gofast
I will admit that the probability of it happening while you are in your seat is very low. The probability of it happening on any flight in the not too distant future is incredibly high.
Originally Posted by gofast
The lost revenue argument is lame at best, it's just not so, and your contention that armed Fams decrease safety on a flight is ill conceived and uninformed.
Aug 12, 2004 | 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
The probability of an event is high. The probability of an event where a marshal could make a difference is appallingly low.
It is true. The airlines don't get a dime from the government when a seat is stolen by the marshal. And even if they did, I don't want my taxes being wasted on such a useless endeavor. I can say the same thing about your contention that armed air marshals increase safety on a plane: ill-conceived and uninformed.
It is true. The airlines don't get a dime from the government when a seat is stolen by the marshal. And even if they did, I don't want my taxes being wasted on such a useless endeavor. I can say the same thing about your contention that armed air marshals increase safety on a plane: ill-conceived and uninformed.
Aug 12, 2004 | 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by gofast
The difference in what you have to say and what I have to say, is that I have forgotten more about aviation security than you will ever know. The simple fact, that obviously can't be proven on an anonymous internet BB, is that I am certain of the facts on this topic, I am right and you are wrong.
Aug 12, 2004 | 5:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
I think you're wrong on both accounts. Do let me know when you're capable of designing any of the devices at the checkpoints and we'll go forward from there.
Aug 12, 2004 | 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Nah, I'm on the next flight and the marshal who bumped me is outed. But thanks for playing.
Hey big talker I would love to go head to head with you on a flight when you out one of these guys. I would be the first one to pop you in the mouth for making my flight less safe. And yes it will be from my F class seat. I now await one of your very witty responces.
SUCK IT UP
Aug 12, 2004 | 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by skirider2
Hey big talker I would love to go head to head with you on a flight when you out one of these guys. I would be the first one to pop you in the mouth for making my flight less safe. And yes it will be from my F class seat. I now await one of your very witty responces.
SUCK IT UP
SUCK IT UP
(Sorry, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.)