Having Separate GE and Nexus Programs is a Bad Idea
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Having Separate GE and Nexus Programs is a Bad Idea
If, or when, I get my Nexus renewal completed, I will not do this do this rubbish again. It's GE all the way. And I am a citizen of both countries.
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What the pandemic exposed is the futility of having these dual-country interviews only at land crossing border locations.
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I was referring to the existence of the two programs, not having memberships in both. GE and Nexus serve virtually the same purpose, have similar application processes, almost the same benefits, and even the cards are identical.
What the pandemic exposed is the futility of having these dual-country interviews only at land crossing border locations.
What the pandemic exposed is the futility of having these dual-country interviews only at land crossing border locations.
I'm surprised that CBSA and CBP have not mutually agreed to allow for Nexus card renewals via Zoom teleconference. Both countries need to have a representative of their border agency present for interviews.
There are a few facilities out which have available spots for renewal interviews. Detroit has availability, so do some of the more remote locations such as Pembina, ND, Warroad, MN, International Falls, MN, Sault Saint Marie, MI and Calais, ME.
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I don't know about the legal aspects of sovereignty and whatnot but a single trusted traveler program combining GE and NEXUS just makes sense.
And with both countries individually being able to adjudicate applications.
Agreed. But having learned from the pandemic, it's prudent to reconsider the overlap between the programs and cut the unnecessary red tape associated with interview locations. Frankly, having done the background checks already, the on-site interviews can be conducted at any point of entry between and within the two countries.
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But having outsourced the process to CBP, shouldn't CBP be trusted with adjudicating a NEXUS application or renewal solely? Is the outsourcing merely card production?
I don't know about the legal aspects of sovereignty and whatnot but a single trusted traveler program combining GE and NEXUS just makes sense.
And with both countries individually being able to adjudicate applications.
I don't know about the legal aspects of sovereignty and whatnot but a single trusted traveler program combining GE and NEXUS just makes sense.
And with both countries individually being able to adjudicate applications.
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E.g. If a GE cardholder wanted the benefits of NEXUS then the interviews with CBP and CBSA should be required, like how GE cardholders by default can use the SENTRI pedestrian and vehicle (registered cars only) lanes. Unfortunately, the CBP website treats GE separately from NEXUS and SENTRI programs when they can be simplified under one program.
Even SENTRI and NEXUS cardholders can apply for GE to use the kiosks.
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Fully agree. Given the size of the two countries, and having CBP already designated as the application processor, payment collector, and card producer, the GE program would subsume NEXUS and the latter would become an optional add on for anyone who wants it, and is eligible.
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But, as I mentioned earlier, this could be overcome by the two-step bio-metrics gathering and adjudication at any port of entry or within a specific country (and to repeat for the second). Here's a concrete example:
I apply for NEXUS online and get conditional approval. Once conditionally approved, I drive to the nearest international airport (in this case IAH) and get "interviewed" by CBP. If approved, this would give GE-like privileges and PreCheck, but not NEXUS privileges. On my next trip to Canada, or if I found myself near a land border crossing, I pop in, without the need to schedule an interview, and get approval from CBSA. Now I have full NEXUS privileges. If I never again visit Canada (or vice versa) then I never really needed NEXUS.
The ultimate goal being the streamlining of the application and renewal processes without violating any laws.
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I'm coming to the realization that having both GE and Nexus is a bad idea, as the pandemic has ever so clearly demonstrated. Meeting with both CBSA and CBP agents is just rubbish. Both sides have the data they need to decide without needing an agent from both sides present. USA and Canada need a single trusted traveler program. All that is needed is one agent, from either side, at any airport or border crossing to adjudicate the applicatoin. This nonsense border-only appointments needs to go.
If, or when, I get my Nexus renewal completed, I will not do this do this rubbish again. It's GE all the way. And I am a citizen of both countries.
If, or when, I get my Nexus renewal completed, I will not do this do this rubbish again. It's GE all the way. And I am a citizen of both countries.
Also GE doesn't give you land border access to Canada using Nexus lanes but similarly I suspect that's less relevant for you.
I agree though that they should trust each other and just let one side or the other interview (after appropriate vetting of course) just to save resources especially given the current backlog.
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What we have though is a joint program, which I will continue to participate in because it gets me through security faster and more easily in Canada as well as the US. In your case if you're in the Houston area as your profile suggests then it may not be as relevant as your travel may not follow primarily cross border. GE does not give you expedited Nexus processing in security in Canada (although they might let you in anyway), and in the current circus that has meant hours saved in my case.
Also GE doesn't give you land border access to Canada using Nexus lanes but similarly I suspect that's less relevant for you.
I agree though that they should trust each other and just let one side or the other interview (after appropriate vetting of course) just to save resources especially given the current backlog.
Also GE doesn't give you land border access to Canada using Nexus lanes but similarly I suspect that's less relevant for you.
I agree though that they should trust each other and just let one side or the other interview (after appropriate vetting of course) just to save resources especially given the current backlog.
Just hoping the administrators of the two programs will learn from the pandemic and tweak the application/interview process.
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One program with different tiers of access seems just as confusing, if not moreso, than just having two distinct programs. There are plenty of people in the US who want Global Entry but have no intent or desire to go to Canada. Some may even be ineligible for Canadian entry without significant additional paperwork (e.g. DUI conviction, which Canada handles much more seriously than the US.) It would be nice at times to be able to get the Global Entry privileges while waiting for a NEXUS interview, but ultimately I think it's clearer to keep the two programs distinct.
If anything, at least from an outsiders' perspective SENTRI seems like a more odd program to break out from Global Entry. AFAIK the US is the only government involved in both programs, a Global Entry member can register a car to get SENTRI privileges when crossing the border, and so it'd seem simpler to just have both under Global Entry with a requirement to register a car when using the Mexican land border by car.
If anything, at least from an outsiders' perspective SENTRI seems like a more odd program to break out from Global Entry. AFAIK the US is the only government involved in both programs, a Global Entry member can register a car to get SENTRI privileges when crossing the border, and so it'd seem simpler to just have both under Global Entry with a requirement to register a car when using the Mexican land border by car.
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One program with different tiers of access seems just as confusing, if not moreso, than just having two distinct programs. There are plenty of people in the US who want Global Entry but have no intent or desire to go to Canada. Some may even be ineligible for Canadian entry without significant additional paperwork (e.g. DUI conviction, which Canada handles much more seriously than the US.) It would be nice at times to be able to get the Global Entry privileges while waiting for a NEXUS interview, but ultimately I think it's clearer to keep the two programs distinct.