joe_miami

I don't see how any judge could, e.g., order DHS to approve New Yorkers for SENTRI without having access to the underlying DMV records, no matter what some internal memos at DHS might have said. Best case, seems like those applications would sit in pending status until the situation changed.

joe_miami

Which Europeans are entering the U.S. using only their driver license, like New Yorkers can do?

GUWonder

Not only Europeans, but also some Americans and Canadians are in GE and drive into the US on European licenses.

joe_miami

Another non sequitur. The point was the entering, not the driving.

GUWonder

Your question was the non-sequitur to my posted point. My post, the one which you quoted, was indicating that DHS/CBP has been able to accept and approve applications for GE members even when the applicant/member is licensed in jurisdictions where DHS doesn’t have unimpeded access to the foreign license issuing authorities’ records and yet DHS still allows for such persons to be GE members and enter from Canada while driving in on foreign licenses in rental cars.

joe_miami

Despite you bringing this up on a near-daily basis, it remains unclear how this point is relevant here. DHS is obviously going to care more about driver licenses that can be used to enter the U.S. (e.g., New York EDL) than foreign driver licenses that cannot be used to enter the U.S. There also aren't masses of people trying to enter the U.S. by car from Canada with Slovakian plates, unlike the situation with New Yorkers and New York plates.

GUWonder

DHS didn’t do this because of EDLs.

DHS did this GE shutdown against NY residents for this purpose: to protest against a NY law which the federal government doesn’t like and to do it in a way to get attention.

sethb

(Second passport can be unknown to DHS.)

That would be illegal.

Ari

Your position is quite the moving target.

You really don't understand the concept of pretext. Stop shilling for the administration.

joe_miami

Pointing out that outdated ID isn’t valid ID is “moving the target”?

Ari

The two of us can't go back and forth much more in this thread without completely hijacking it and I am not going to engage in borderline post-stalking (against FT POS) by quoting all of your previous posts in this thread to show the morphing of your positions and claims over time. It should suffice to say that every time you come up with an explanation/excuse/pretext for the administration's retaliatory action against the the residents of the State of New York and that explanation/excuse/pretext for the administration's retaliatory action is then debunked by documented fact, you come up with another different explanation/excuse/pretext for the administration's retaliatory action (i.e. your position morphs). Then that other different explanation/excuse/pretext for the administration's retaliatory action is debunked by documented fact in a post and you come up with yet another different explanation/excuse/pretext for the administration's retaliatory action (i.e. your position morphs again).

Those of us who are serious about posting fact-based facts rather than opinion-based facts lose patience going back and forth ad infinitum running headlong into a brick wall.

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In order to make this thread more productive and based on current events (rather than last week's), I'll take the trouble to read the NY AG complaint and post on that later rather than rehash old stuff.

joe_miami

Wouldn’t it have been simpler to answer the one-sentence question I posed?

Anyway, Cuomo has already blinked. He’s meeting with Trump today to offer access to DMV records for TTP applicants.

sekhmet101

Cuomo floats a compromise: https://www.democratandchronicle.com...ng/4735678002/

nrr

It might be better all around to allow applicants for GE/NEXUS etc. to sign a waver permitting DHS to access their records. From my reading of info in reference above DHS could still find reason to reject some NYS drivers applying for special programs.
Should the Cuomo "exception" be OK with DHS, would flyers who were in the conditional approval state and were cast-off have to start anew?

joe_miami

Hard to imagine DHS agreeing to this, as it would act as an invitation for other states to implement similar restrictions. Managing the waivers would also add a new layer of unwanted bureaucracy and potential liability.