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Yoshi212 Sep 7, 2011 7:04 pm


Originally Posted by Vidiot (Post 17072189)
ha! Jack Daniel's isn't bourbon, but I doubt a terrorist would know that...

Now that's being American ;)
I had to bribe my brother to serve Beam and Woodford at his wedding over Wild Turkey.

I'm going to print out a card for when I travel and just use it to get through things.

InkUnderNails Sep 7, 2011 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by armattheus (Post 17072529)
Now that's being American ;)
I had to bribe my brother to serve Beam and Woodford at his wedding over Wild Turkey.

I'm going to print out a card for when I travel and just use it to get through things.

Good choices for special occasions, but don't overlook Rare Breed just because it is Wild Turkey. Buffalo Trace is good, too. Try the Buffalo Trace White Dog if available in your area, but it is definitely NOT something you would want to serve at a wedding.

For everyday use, WT 101 is good enough for me.

loops Sep 7, 2011 7:38 pm

Bourbon
 
Knob Creek?

;)

yum

<edit to add in valiant attempt to veer on topic>

Name pronouncing might not matter so much in the end, but bourbon would definitely improve the s-l-o-w SSSS experience!

howzat

<sip>

:cool:

Wally Bird Sep 7, 2011 8:08 pm


Originally Posted by milpie (Post 17072003)
you're complaining because someone asks you to pronounce your name? how many of you have denied answering questions at the custom/passport control? Why should a TSA checkpoint be any different? Also, after the questioning, I tend to get a "Have a nice flight, Mr. xxx" and I know my name is hard to pronounce.

I've never had a CBP agent demand that I pronounce my name and it's arguable they do in fact have the authority to do so.

The TSA does not (see the CFRs posted above); they have just usurped the authority like so many other things. But the basic objection is that it is simply absurd and has zero (none, nada) 'security' implications.

Google 'Noibi" for background on this nonsense.

You may be prepared to engage in any little charade the TSA performs; others are not. It's just SILLY.

gobluetwo Sep 7, 2011 8:37 pm

Haven't gotten the "pronounce your name" nonsense yet, but have gotten the "where are you traveling to" nonsense before from the TDC. After replying, "Home, I wish," I was pointedly told, "You need to tell me where your flying today." I pushed back and refused, which resulted in a side conversation with a 3-striper, who told me that they like to "engage in conversation," as well as a secondary. Great.

SirFlysALot Sep 7, 2011 9:56 pm

I asked at SFO (I know not TSA) and was told that it was to find people who did not match the boarding pass. Wouldn't you know it but they caught a lady 2 people behind me in line who was given the wrong boarding pass by the agent at check in.

Point 1. Couldn't they see that the name on the BP and ID did not match?

Point 2 Why do they care if she was screened properly.

Point 3 Why does the TSA even care? It should be the airlines problem to take care of their revenue protection..

RadioGirl Sep 7, 2011 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by gobluetwo (Post 17072996)
I pushed back and refused, which resulted in a side conversation with a 3-striper, who told me that they like to "engage in conversation," as well as a secondary. Great.

:confused: Since when are passengers required to do - well, anything - simply because the Blue Ones "like to"? It's not the responsibility of the passengers to amuse or satisfy the personal whims of checkpoint staff.

Are these adults, or four-year-olds? (No insult to 4-year-olds intended...)

MastaHanky Sep 8, 2011 12:28 am

I posted my Name Game experience in another thread. I escalated to a suit, who said that "he doesn't know my ID isn't fake unless I can say my name".

I asked "So if I can say my name, you'll know my ID isn't fake?"

"Do you want me to get a police officer?"

"Yes, please do."

He did. Police officer looked bored while I discussed the situation with the suit.

I didn't want to keep my gf waiting (she had already cleared security), so I gave the silliest foreign pronunciation I could come up with and got the magic squiggle.

Security indeed. :rolleyes:

studentff Sep 8, 2011 8:45 am


Originally Posted by milpie (Post 17072003)
you're complaining because someone asks you to pronounce your name? how many of you have denied answering questions at the custom/passport control? Why should a TSA checkpoint be any different?

1) A number of people here have declined to answer questions at US customs / passport control. Maybe not a good idea for a non-citizen, but a US citizen who presents a valid US passport and whose citizenship is not in question is not required to answer any questions from passport control or customs beyond the written customs declaration form.

2) It's different because we shouldn't have to answer to government interrogations as a condition of exercising our right to travel freely within the country. What's next after conditioning us to answering questions about name? At BOS, TSA is already asking passengers about the purpose of their traveler, and a passenger just recently reported on FT being harassed and retaliated against for answering that he didn't like Boston.

N965VJ Sep 8, 2011 8:51 am


Originally Posted by MastaHanky (Post 17073830)
Police officer looked bored while I discussed the situation with the suit.

It really has to be frustrating for the law enforcement professionals who have to deal with TSA security theatre on a regular basis.

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 8, 2011 9:12 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 17075348)
It really has to be frustrating for the law enforcement professionals who have to deal with TSA security theatre on a regular basis.

The one at Austin couldn't care less. "Whatever the TSA says".

I'm thinking a note to the mayor of Austin is in order.... 'cause I have no desire to go back until this crapola stops.

jiejie Sep 8, 2011 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 17075477)
The one at Austin couldn't care less. "Whatever the TSA says".

I'm thinking a note to the mayor of Austin is in order.... 'cause I have no desire to go back until this crapola stops.

Austin newspaper(s) a possibility?

goalie Sep 8, 2011 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by milpie (Post 17072003)
you're complaining because someone asks you to pronounce your name? how many of you have denied answering questions at the custom/passport control? Why should a TSA checkpoint be any different? Also, after the questioning, I tend to get a "Have a nice flight, Mr. xxx" and I know my name is hard to pronounce.

As to stating your name to a TSO, please read the linked Federal Regulations from my earlier post (#9 above). All that is required is that I provide identification as stated in the regs-name pronunciation is not part of that and as such, The TSA cannot ask for that information nor is one required to give it. As to Customs, that is an entirely different story as Customs is not the TSA and the TSA is not Customs and Customs can ask those questions.

StanSimmons Sep 8, 2011 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 17069144)
I will say it was the longest, most deliberate, and most painful SSSS I've received. The grope involved 2 karate chops into my groin, causing me to yelp in pain. Each item came out of my bags, and he ran separate swipes over each item, testing each one methodically. Literally half a can of swipes.

Did the cop witness the assault on you? If so, why didn't he arrest the perp in blue?

I too have been karate chopped in the groin, and now every time I go thru the "search" my hands are balled into fists... ready to fend off the next assault. I fully expect to get arrested when it happens.

bajajoes Sep 8, 2011 7:00 pm

I'd Request A LEO Observe Search!
 
:mad:
That was an obvious and blatant grope in retaliation for not answering the obnoxious tsa agent.:mad:
IF you are planning on continuing to not speak, and I hope you do, I would request a LEO to observe because you expect a painful, retalitory search!:mad


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