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Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 17111795)
It seems to me like the regulation clearly says you are required to state your name.
"An individual must provide his or her full name, as defined in §1560.3 of this chapter, date of birth, and gender when.... The individual makes a request for authorization to enter a sterile area." I guess you could argue that you are providing your name when you hand over your ID, but that is not clear. |
Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 17111795)
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 17076560)
As to stating your name to a TSO, please read the linked Federal Regulations from my earlier post (#9 above). All that is required is that I provide identification as stated in the regs-name pronunciation is not part of that and as such, The TSA cannot ask for that information nor is one required to give it. As to Customs, that is an entirely different story as Customs is not the TSA and the TSA is not Customs and Customs can ask those questions.
"An individual must provide his or her full name, as defined in §1560.3 of this chapter, date of birth, and gender when.... The individual makes a request for authorization to enter a sterile area." I guess you could argue that you are providing your name when you hand over your ID, but that is not clear.
There is absolutely no mention that one must state, spell and/or pronounce their name but simply present a document which contains that information |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 17092412)
Get a Passport card or use your GE card.
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Originally Posted by stifle
(Post 17120451)
50:50 chance a GE card will be rejected by the TDC. Got a driver's licence?
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 17069144)
This was a 25 minute SSSS search.
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Originally Posted by enviroian
(Post 17121131)
That's 25 minutes I can't afford to lose. Why not just say your name and move on? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by knotyeagle
(Post 17121193)
Because I have a 4th amendment right that I can't afford to lose either. I did this in DEN with two behavior detection officers (plus 7 other lead & supervisor screeners even screening manager) for 75 minutes. With every bit of my time. Perhaps they did not agree with me.
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Originally Posted by enviroian
(Post 17121209)
If I may ask if you are so firm on protecting your 4th amendment rights and not telling the TSA name why is your full name and address part of your FT addy signature?
I present my "government issued ID" to the trained (hopefully) document checker along with a boarding pass for that department airport because it is required. The TSA screener does not tell me their name (but I do admit looking at their SIDA credentials), where they live, etc. Why should I volunteer any of my information to the TSA screener? Are they likely to afford my billable day? This was settled a long time ago when the document checker at FLL was looking thru my visa travel pages of my passport looking at the countries I've visited. Also last June when the behavior detection officer at DEN started reading my 3-day hotel bill. I give no quarter. |
Originally Posted by enviroian
(Post 17121131)
That's 25 minutes I can't afford to lose. Why not just say your name and move on? :rolleyes:
The SSSS was completely and totally unwarranted - my identity had been well established by a verifiable document. This was clear retaliation, with a cop thrown in to try and threaten for good effect. As for the "lost time", I had 2 hours until my scheduled flight time - I still got cleared standby on the earlier flight (which was fully booked). Note is off to congressional office, meeting when I can next get into town. |
Originally Posted by stifle
(Post 17120451)
50:50 chance a GE card will be rejected by the TDC. Got a driver's licence?
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Name Game - what's the Problem?
Let's face the facts here. TSA is the worst thing to happen in the name of Security, but the facts are, that we need some sort of Security. The name game, IMO, is the least of the problems.
As I hand my ID & BP over, I immediately state - Last name / First name / Middle initial / Destination airport. Usually there's a slight shock wave, and a moment of silence. Then I hear, Why are you going to Chicago? I say "That's Classified" They say something like, "What do you mean?" or "Classified?????" I say "When I leave the secure area of my destination airport, it's no ones business what I do or where I go. and off I go to opt-out. You know the rest. |
It sounds like you encountered TSA's enhanced questioning/BDO program that is being rolled out selectively across the country. While you are not obligated to respond, if you refuse you could subject yourself to delays and additional searches.
I would not say "that's classified" unless it is actually the case. While TSA front-line employees (performing whatever function, including but not limited to TSO, TDC, BDO, etc) are not LEOs, they are government officials who could make trouble for you. IMHO, it is best to tell the truth, in as few words as possible, when speaking with government officials. Saying that your reason for travel is "classified" or "restricted" or "confidential" could land you in some trouble if the TSO calls for a supervisor who demands to see proof of your federal clearance level that allows you to claim that particular classification. Instead, you could say that your reason for travel is "personal" or "private." Just my $0.02. |
There's more than one way to classify information, and the federal government of the US has no monopoly on asserting that information is classified or not when the information is not the government's to control.
Originally Posted by ESpen36
(Post 17130407)
It sounds like you encountered TSA's enhanced questioning/BDO program that is being rolled out selectively across the country. While you are not obligated to respond, if you refuse you could subject yourself to delays and additional searches.
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come up with a really long complex story about how you are going there to see an ex lover and give all the juicy and complex details. that would be fun.
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
(Post 17130407)
It sounds like you encountered TSA's enhanced questioning/BDO program that is being rolled out selectively across the country. While you are not obligated to respond, if you refuse you could subject yourself to delays and additional searches.
I would not say "that's classified" unless it is actually the case. While TSA front-line employees (performing whatever function, including but not limited to TSO, TDC, BDO, etc) are not LEOs, they are government officials who could make trouble for you. IMHO, it is best to tell the truth, in as few words as possible, when speaking with government officials. Saying that your reason for travel is "classified" or "restricted" or "confidential" could land you in some trouble if the TSO calls for a supervisor who demands to see proof of your federal clearance level that allows you to claim that particular classification. Instead, you could say that your reason for travel is "personal" or "private." Just my $0.02. |
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