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okazon69 Aug 4, 2011 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 16860992)
Pat the TSO on the head

... and get arrested and charged with assault. ;)

InkUnderNails Aug 4, 2011 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by sbagdon (Post 16858013)
I know what a TSM and an FSD is... what's an FSM?

TSM would be correct. Sorry.

cottonmather0 Aug 4, 2011 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by bdschobel (Post 16860976)
I get that question quite often -- probably not too surprisingly -- and my stock response is, "That's why I came to the airport this morning [or whatever time of day it is]." They move on.

Bruce

That is an excellent response. I will use that the next time I get the magic question, which is pretty much every time I fly these days. :)

Vidiot Aug 5, 2011 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by cottonmather0 (Post 16861942)
That is an excellent response. I will use that the next time I get the magic question, which is pretty much every time I fly these days. :)

I haven't gotten it since WBI was implemented (then again, I've cut way back on flying since then) but if I get DYW.FT, I'm planning to immediately ask "Was that a threat or an attempt at intimidation? Please let me see your supervisor right now." And ask for a LEO if they balk at all.

gobluetwo Aug 5, 2011 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by cottonmather0 (Post 16857140)
Apparently the abbreviation "DYW.TFT" is no longer allowed here?

I just go with DYW2FT

Back to the topic, I'll definitely have to stick to my guns if I ever encounter the SPOTters asking my name or for other info. I do try to remain vigilant and ensure folks stick to the protocol as I know them, for my stuff to always remain in sight, etc. I did have one guy patting me down ask where I was headed. I thought about it and said, "If it's Thursday, it must be Cleveland." That was on Tuesday and he didn't respond.

Flaflyer Aug 5, 2011 3:46 pm

Hillary ordered me and I don't dare tick off that lady
 
The TSA Ramp Up the Fear Machine is always telling us “Tewwowists are Everywhere” as part of their “Does Comrade See Something? Snitch!” campaign.

If necessary, I believe a standard out is Fear of a stranger coming up to you in an airport and chatting you up for no reason. I suspect that person is a drunk, a tout, a con artist, or a pickpocket. Worse, they are a drug mule or Terrorist trying to talk me into carrying their package on the plane. So what if they say they are a BDO? I have no way to verify it, and a real terrorist would lie to me.

If pressed, I would tell the TSO or LEO that someone far over their pay grade has ordered me to assume they are attempting to talk me into package carrying and thus I must decline to talk to them. When asked “Who?’ answer the Secretary of State of the United States. Then quote Important Information #9 in the passport (US Government Property) the Secretary of State has loaned to me personally (after a background check, too ^):

“BE MINDFUL OF SECURITY THREATS Do not leave luggage unattended in public areas, nor accept packages from strangers.”

No one striper has the authority to overrule Hillary.

RATM Aug 6, 2011 11:45 pm

How about this for a reply?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK3AkNAterE

chollie Aug 6, 2011 11:52 pm

Once again, some of the folks on the front lines can't see the forest for the trees (and that's the fault of their management and whatever passes for training).

Instead of focusing on how a pax acts when answering questions, the TDC will focus on obsequious, deferential responses that are 'right'.

halls120 Aug 7, 2011 5:24 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16873757)
Once again, some of the folks on the front lines can't see the forest for the trees (and that's the fault of their management and whatever passes for training).

Instead of focusing on how a pax acts when answering questions, the TDC will focus on obsequious, deferential responses that are 'right'.

We all know what this new procedure is about - providing a new CYA procedure to shield TSA management from claims they haven't done enough to keep transportation safe. It has the extra added benefit of enabling line TSA clerks to retaliate against the growing number of their fellow citizens who are verbally attacking them.

cottonmather0 Aug 7, 2011 5:56 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 16874400)
We all know what this new procedure is about - providing a new CYA procedure to shield TSA management from claims they haven't done enough to keep transportation safe. It has the extra added benefit of enabling line TSA clerks to retaliate against the growing number of their fellow citizens who are verbally attacking them.

Pretty much.

Now they can say that they are looking for weapons AND looking for terrorists, which kind of misses the point on the original criticism... but the NoS machines cost a lot of money and have to be justified.

And yeah, now that the "screening process" has been expanded, we can no longer point to being x-rayed/scanned/patted down as evidence enough of cooperation. Now they get to officially punish us if we aren't nice enough about it in the opinion of the TSO's.

Caradoc Aug 7, 2011 6:10 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16873757)
Once again, some of the folks on the front lines can't see the forest for the trees (and that's the fault of their management and whatever passes for training).

Isn't that why they've ended up working for the TSA?

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 7, 2011 9:19 am

Pronounce your name game leads to s-l-o-w SSSS at AUS
 
Got the "Pronounce your name" crap at AUS yesterday. I refused, stating that it was on boarding pass and pronouncing name put me at risk. TDC called cops (first) then supervisor. Cop explained that it was TSA airport policy and that it was required to travel. I asked if he was threatening me with not traveling, and he again deferred it to TSA, saying something about "Nigerian guy with fake boarding passes". He and the pre-TDC TSA screener were NOT happy when I pointed out that 1) I was a US citizen, not Nigerian, as evidenced by my passport card, and 2) that anyone who was was smart enough and willing to take the felony risk of faking a Federal passport card was certainly smart enough and willing to take the risk of memorizing the name on the boarding pass, ergo there was no security provided, just harassment.

Three-striper demanded my name, I again pointed out that it was on boarding pass. He said it's TSA's policy that everyone do it, and I pointedly asked him why, if it's policy, neither DCA nor DFW had done it that morning, nor IAD or LAX last week. He called a "suit", who took the BP and ID examined it, said a couple of things to the three-striper out of my earshot, and marked my BP. Three-striper came back and said that "suit" had required SSSS screening of me. I claimed retaliation, and he countered with "you are a security risk if you don't say your name".

Three-striper maintained physical possession of my ID and BP until the SSSS was done.

I will say it was the longest, most deliberate, and most painful SSSS I've received. The grope involved 2 karate chops into my groin, causing me to yelp in pain. Each item came out of my bags, and he ran separate swipes over each item, testing each one methodically. Literally half a can of swipes.

This was a 25 minute SSSS search.

To his credit, upon my request, he provided both a comment card, his name, and his supervisor's name. I suspect that one of them took my name for a report, so let's see what happens in the future.

Saying one's name when presenting a valid, current passport card (and second government ID offered), and airline boarding pass meets the TSA's stated requirements, and does not imply a security risk. The way this one was done was a huge waste of government resources.

Guess I shall be meeting with my congressional/senate staffers when getting back to DC.

SNA_Flyer Sep 7, 2011 10:23 am

Please post all of these fools names here so that the public knows about their asinine behavior.

Then file a complaint with the DHS OIG against these jackholes.

N965VJ Sep 7, 2011 11:13 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 17069144)
I claimed retaliation, and he countered with "you are a security risk if you don't say your name".

Well sure, if you can't speak because of a sore throat it might be because you have some kind of SuperVirus that could wipe out 99.9% of the earth's population by exposing other travelers, leading to a final showdown between good and evil in LAS. I think I saw that in a movie once.

The screener was only trying to save humanity. :rolleyes:

chollie Sep 7, 2011 11:17 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 17069144)
This was a 25 minute SSSS search.

That would have made one loooong Youtube clip!


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